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Mates

Fri Nov 06 2009, 03:51PM

Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
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Ok, one enigma is solved (good bye Harry, welcome Stella

) so we can move to another one...

It is very funny story which is repeatedly reported by most Czech serious media at the moment. Apparently, there is a house in a small village named Strasice, where very funny things were happening for few days. For some unknown reason there were multiple fires in the house of wall plug-ins, wet towels and many other things. Also broken glass, effects on people, 30cm electric discharges between water pipes and boiler all seen by multiple witnesses. Importantly the fires occurred over 60times a day. The electricity company disconnected the house from electricity, BUT IT HAD NO EFFECT and strange things were still there.

There is a huge debate now between different specialist what could be the problem. Multiple scientists already tried different measurements without any result, but it is true that in the time of measurements those effects were not present anymore. However, there are few facts here which could be related. There is a big military area close to the village. There is also powerful radio transmitter (TV) nearby, moreover this transmitter was running under very special mode, because we now changing TV from analogue to digital and both were transmitted simultaneously for a while (apparently the time of the double transmitting correlated with those strange effects).

Few links â€“ unfortunately in Czech, but images are quite descriptive

video:

So any ideas what could be behind? (It is also fair to say that in those days I was playing a lot with my new tesla coil, and I live only 300Km far from that place

)

GeordieBoy

Fri Nov 06 2009, 05:44PM

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Probably dielectric heating or arcing between conductive objects setting fire to flamable material. Either caused by a nearby multi-hundred kW TV transmitter, or a military radar of undisclosed operating frequency and number of Megawatts! (>.<)

I've had a couple of objects on my workbench catch alight when I used to work on CW SSTCs in the kW range. Long after finishing my SSTC work, I later discovered a strange fractal shaped burn pattern on the inside of the cardboard ring at the centre of a roll of electricans insulating tape. This roll of tape was presumably also close to catching fire at some point!

Our Tesla Coils are low frequency and relatively low-powered compared to the ERP of MW/FM/TV broadcast transmitters and military stuff.

If that was my house, I would look at getting the RF field strength measured there. It can't be healthy to live there 24/7 if things are catching fire daily!

It also shows how operating a CW TC in your house could easily start a fire smouldering somewhere without you initially noticing it. Only for it to catch hold after you've gone out to the shops!

-Richie,

Chris Russell

Sat Nov 07 2009, 01:27AM

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Unfortunately, from the information I was able to dig up, I'd have to say good old fashioned fraud. From this article:

, the family claims their aquarium boiled, and that items like plastic bags are catching fire. I find it pretty difficult to believe that an RF field strong enough to light a wet towel ablaze and boil several gallons of water has not caused any RF burns or lit any fires where they couldn't be extinguished.

All of the articles I've seen have relied entirely on the family's eyewitness reports as to the truth of these events. That alone seems like a major BS flag.

Frosty90

Sat Nov 07 2009, 04:16AM

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Unfortunately, from the information I was able to dig up, I'd have to say good old fashioned fraud. From this article: , the family claims their aquarium boiled, and that items like plastic bags are catching fire. I find it pretty difficult to believe that an RF field strong enough to light a wet towel ablaze and boil several gallons of water has not caused any RF burns or lit any fires where they couldn't be extinguished.

Not to mention the amount of power that would be required to cause any of these things! I suspect even a multi hundred kilowatt transmitter next door couldnt boil an aquarium, or set towels on fire, with out being focused. Its not as if theres a large transmiting horn pointed directly at the house from a few meters away (who wouldnt notice such a thing.)

Cheers,
Jesse

plazmatron

Sat Nov 07 2009, 05:15AM

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Tales like this are all too common, and this line is a dead give away: "scientists already tried different measurements without any result".

Without evidence and measurement, it is just another ghost story.

Les

Arcstarter

Sat Nov 07 2009, 06:19AM

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Agreed with last three posts. But, dielectric heating sounds most plausible, had i believe the story.

Mates

Sat Nov 07 2009, 08:33AM

Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
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Yes, it can be fraud - no doubt about it and thatâ€™s also why I sent this theme in the general chatting forum.

However, I think it is too easy to say that these people are playing some game for the media. As I said, it is not some crazy smear sheet reporting about this cause, but the most followed media in Czech Rep. These people (what ever we might think about journalists) are not completely stupid. There are also witnesses who have nothing in common with the family (like employees of the electricity company) and the burned stuff was tested for presence of flammable chemicals. But I absolutely agree that from scientific point of view the whole thing looks very unlikely, there are many non-logical things (like why are affected both conductors and isolants etc.).

Chris Russell

Sat Nov 07 2009, 03:04PM

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Mates wrote ...

Yes, it can be fraud - no doubt about it and thatâ€™s also why I sent this theme in the general chatting forum.

However, I think it is too easy to say that these people are playing some game for the media. As I said, it is not some crazy smear sheet reporting about this cause, but the most followed media in Czech Rep. These people (what ever we might think about journalists) are not completely stupid. There are also witnesses who have nothing in common with the family (like employees of the electricity company) and the burned stuff was tested for presence of flammable chemicals. But I absolutely agree that from scientific point of view the whole thing looks very unlikely, there are many non-logical things (like why are affected both conductors and isolants etc.).

You'll find that even appallingly bad media outlets, like Fox News, are not completely stupid -- they're in business to make money, and that means pushing stories that people will read. Regardless, I'm sure the couple is quite convincing in their descriptions of what's going on, and I'm sure to the average layperson, the events sound at least remotely feasible. The only references I found to witnesses were second-hand, relayed from the couple themselves -- I've not seen any article in which anyone steps forward and claims to have also seen these events happen.

I do agree the claim that they're doing it for the publicity is a bit easy. Frankly, I don't know why people go to such lengths to fake paranormal events such as these, but it is quite common. Since many of the fraudsters remain devout in their beliefs of the supernatural, even when their hoax is exposed, I have to wonder if they're not fooling themselves a little while they're fooling everyone else.

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