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Q? Would Cat-5 cable work as Secondary?

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Jack777
Fri Oct 30 2009, 03:58AM Print
Jack777 Registered Member #2452 Joined: Fri Oct 30 2009, 03:50AM
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Hello,
New to the forum, but I remember this seeming like the right place to ask,

Just trying to get a basic Tesla coil working to get my enthusiasm up,


Wondering if I could use Cat-5 networking cable for the secondary, (All 8 inner cables in parallel)

Seems perfect from the "High voltage likes lots of thinner wires" POV,
and it's gotta be better insulation than micro-thin magnet wire right?

Though they are braided... would that mess with it?

(Otherwise any good scrap source for magnet wire, or am I taking apart old-transformers? :)


Thank you for your time, great to be here, and have a great day!
-J

(I just have like 100' of networking cable sitting around :(
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Arcstarter
Fri Oct 30 2009, 04:27AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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First off, welcome cheesey.

Well, it would work, but it is probably far from ideal. It is not just high voltage that likes the 'lots of thinner wires', it is pretty much high frequency in general.

But, this wire is too thick, and you would not get many turns with 100', unfortunately.

Also, there are only 8 internal conductors, which is not very many. This type of wire that has many strands of *very* thin wire, insulated from one another, is called 'litz'. It is used especially for high frequency transformers.

As far as i know, nobody here, at least, has tried litz for a secondary. It would be interesting to see, though...
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StevenCaton
Fri Oct 30 2009, 04:30AM
StevenCaton Registered Member #1845 Joined: Fri Dec 05 2008, 05:38AM
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Don't use the networking cable. Save it for something else, like a gate driver transformer.
100 feet of cable? Thats hardly going to give you any turns on a secondary coil. Its inductance will be so small that will have to drive the resonator at MHZ frequencies even if you did wind it into a coil.

Just get some magnet wire from an old transformer, ebay, or from radio shack. Secondary coils usually have 800+ turns.
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Jack777
Fri Oct 30 2009, 04:33AM
Jack777 Registered Member #2452 Joined: Fri Oct 30 2009, 03:50AM
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Ah well,

Ive got a sh** load of wall-warts too, but it woulda been nice...


(Any way to connect magnet wire end to end without screwing up insulation?
Does using electrical tape work at those voltages?)


Thx btw :)
-J
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Dr. Slack
Fri Oct 30 2009, 12:54PM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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(Any way to connect magnet wire end to end without screwing up insulation?
Does using electrical tape work at those voltages?)

Somebody buildiing a nice shiny TC would not connect magnet wire pieces to make a secondary; but yes, you can connect magnet wire pieces. Insulation tape is a bit bulky, several layers of varnish or a single turn of sellotape would be sufficient.

If you are building a first coil just to get your enthusiasm up, then go for it. Several pieces of magnet wire joined in series will be infinitely better than cat-5.

The sort of problems that the joins will give you don't really start becoming apparent until you are getting streamers and sparks from the coil, and by then, that's a success, right?

You can minimise the problems by trying to have the joint have no sharp edges or points, if you can delicately poke both ends of the wire into a small round blob of solder, then that's going to be about the least bad way to do it. Minimise the diameter of the joint so it will disrupt the nice even turns on the secondary as little as possible.

Once your enthusiasm is up, and you're getting streamers, sparks, and some flashovers to the joins on the secondary, then replacing the secondary with one wound form a single length of wire will be but a small step to take.
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raff
Fri Oct 30 2009, 02:10PM
raff Registered Member #2315 Joined: Tue Aug 25 2009, 02:35AM
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in the first place, WHY NOT buy new magnet wire.. unwinding the wires from wallwarts IS a hassle already..what more with winding the secondary...
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Jack777
Fri Oct 30 2009, 07:35PM
Jack777 Registered Member #2452 Joined: Fri Oct 30 2009, 03:50AM
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lol : ) It's kinda competition between being poor/stingy... vs. how lazy I am

as an american, I wonder which I'll do? :p
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