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Zak
Tue Oct 27 2009, 10:22AM Print
Zak Registered Member #2172 Joined: Fri Jun 12 2009, 05:59PM
Location: Castelnuovo del Garda, VR
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Hi all! I recently replace my pll driver with Steve Ward's drrstc driver (the last version, with OCD...) cause i had some issues with feedback synchronization...
Now, i tested the driver with my scope and signal generator and it works perfectly...but it seems that the feedback from my coil isn't strong enough to drive the circuit!

I tested it with 40V input. I'm using PRIMARY feedback.
When the interrupter goes HIGH i've got a pulse on the GDT that has to start the oscillation in the coil via the bridge...BUT connecting my scope on the CT (2x 1:33 ratio...) i can see only a very little voltage spyke of about 100-200mV...so it isn't strong enough!!!

I also tried to connect my signal generator on the input of the feedback, running at the fres of the coil...now the coil works and from the CT i can see a very clear 4V PK-PK feedback signal...

So the driver isn't able to start the oscillation in the primary itself!

What can i do? Maybe i can rise the input voltage, but i don't have a variac....i culd use a voltage doubler to obtain 80 Vdc...

Thanks!

ps: driver scheme: Link2
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Zak
Tue Oct 27 2009, 01:15PM
Zak Registered Member #2172 Joined: Fri Jun 12 2009, 05:59PM
Location: Castelnuovo del Garda, VR
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Ok, i think i've found the problem!

When the interrupter signal is LOW both couple of IRF540/IRF9540 are off. When the interrupter goes HIGH, one of the UCCs puts his out HIGH and drives one couple of mosfet...
The problem is that other two mosfet are still off! So one output of the driver is in high impedence!!! So the current can't flow into GDT because it hasn't a path to ground...

The strange thing is that Steve's driver works in that way!!! Why it works and mine doesn't?

Thanks in advance!

ps:I attached my shcematic so you can check this...
]driver.pdf[/file]
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Wolfram
Tue Oct 27 2009, 02:51PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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This is the reason why Steve Ward used a pair of and-gates to do the enable function, instead of the internal enables of the gate drive chips. The gate drive chips need to output high when they are disabled for this circuit to work, otherwise C10/C13 in your schematic will get charged, leading to the problems you experienced.


Anders M.
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue Oct 27 2009, 02:59PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Edit: Need to look more carefully next time tongue

Edit2: The diodes D14 and D15 in the original schematic seem to be the other way around.

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Zak
Tue Oct 27 2009, 05:52PM
Zak Registered Member #2172 Joined: Fri Jun 12 2009, 05:59PM
Location: Castelnuovo del Garda, VR
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Anders M. wrote ...

This is the reason why Steve Ward used a pair of and-gates to do the enable function, instead of the internal enables of the gate drive chips. The gate drive chips need to output high when they are disabled for this circuit to work, otherwise C10/C13 in your schematic will get charged, leading to the problems you experienced.


Anders M.

Oh....I feel like an idiot :P I didn't noticed that Steve's gate drivers were inverting!!!
Thanks man, i'm going to modify my schematic...
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zzz_julian_zzz
Fri Sept 02 2011, 12:27PM
zzz_julian_zzz Registered Member #3964 Joined: Thu Jun 23 2011, 03:23AM
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What about if the gate drivers are inverting the signal? it only invert the signal's polarity from '1' to '0'(vice versa) so it will be the same except that the phase are a 90 degree different..



also,,. what do you mean by this?



The gate drive chips need to output high when they are disabled for this circuit to work, otherwise C10/C13 in your schematic will get charged, leading to the problems you experienced.

its confusing me.. please help me,. thanks in advance.
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