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Conundrum
Wed Nov 25 2009, 06:32PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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wonder if you could DIY one of these things with galinstan alloy...

might work, you'd use an acid instead of water in the gap.

-A
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Bored Chemist
Wed Nov 25 2009, 08:07PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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"wonder if you could DIY one of these things with galinstan alloy..."
Not easily. The proportions of the metals would change as you electrolysed them.
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IntraWinding
Wed Nov 25 2009, 09:07PM
IntraWinding Registered Member #2261 Joined: Mon Aug 03 2009, 01:19AM
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Who says the metal has to be a liquid!

It would help if its expansion rate matched the glass though.
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klugesmith
Thu Nov 26 2009, 02:54AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Anders M. wrote ...
I can confirm that there are shunt resistors inside the russian units. There is a voltage divider hooked up to the 12V input, and the mercury tube is connected, in series with two (!) resistors, from the midpoint to the negative terminal.

Any ideas on if it would be a good idea to speed these up by running a higher current through the tube?
Thanks again, Anders. Would you care to read or measure the R values for us? Be careful with ohmeter on the mercury tube itself, which I guess to be a few 100 or 1000 ohms. Have never tried to open my one meter of the Russian type (from kwtubes).

I'm hoping to do some experiments with progressively higher currents. Here's a contemporary datasheet link: Link2 Specified max current for model 120CP3 is 50 uA (about 16 x nominal value).

Just ordered 5 more of the 120CP3 meters for about half the listed price at Link2
Stated to be NOS but sold "as-is"; when they arrive I'll report if their gaps are OK.

[edit] re. invention -- the modern implementation seems to be rooted in US patent 3045178 by Lester Corrsin in 1962. The patent discusses, among other things,
  • benefits of using a liquid metal
  • electrolyte chemicals
  • alloying elements to lower freezing point of Hg
  • accomodation of differential thermal expansion

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Wolfram
Thu Nov 26 2009, 09:16PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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The top resistor in the divider is 200k, the bottom one is 5k36. The mercury tube is connected from the midpoint to minus, in series with two seriesed resistors, one is 2k7, and the other one is 100k. Hope this helps.


Anders M.
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