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How to turn off a quad 833C for stacatto operation.

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Wavetuner
Thu Sept 10 2009, 06:25AM Print
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I want to have FW CW mode and be able to switch into stacatto mode. Turning off the SCR is the issue! Any ideas?
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Steve Conner
Thu Sept 10 2009, 09:24AM
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If there are no current zeros to allow the SCR to turn off, you'll have to use an IGBT or MOSFET instead.
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Curtis
Thu Sept 10 2009, 04:15PM
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there is a variety of scr called a gto (gate turn off). they are made to be comutated by a strong negative pulse on the gate. i believe they are hard to find(read expensive). as steve said igbts or fets would be the way to go.
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Bamacoiler
Thu Sept 10 2009, 05:45PM
Bamacoiler Registered Member #1628 Joined: Wed Aug 06 2008, 08:48PM
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I'm pretty sure you could go with a big triac as well.
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vasil
Thu Sept 10 2009, 06:07PM
vasil Registered Member #229 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 07:33PM
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For my GU5B VTTC I am using a 800V/40A triac (BTA41600B).
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Curtis
Thu Sept 10 2009, 07:16PM
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i triac wont work because as steve said there are no current zero crossings. an scr or triac need to drop below thier conduction threshold to turn off. he needs something that can be turned off.
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GeordieBoy
Thu Sept 10 2009, 07:40PM
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If you want to keep with the SCR to carry the bulk of the current, you could always try shunting its load current with an IGBT at the moment you want to turn it off.

Another effective technique is to discharge a small capacitor across the SCR in the reverse direction. This reverse biases the device and causes it to drop out of conduction. SCR's are pretty tough beasts, so there a few dirty tricks that can be used to force them to turn off.

Probably easier just to use an IGBT or MOSFET to carry the full load current though, and ditch the thyristor altogether.

-Richie,
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Steve Conner
Fri Sept 11 2009, 09:16AM
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By the way, you never mentioned whether you're going to filter the supply. If you're only going to full-wave rectify it, and not filter it, then the SCR should turn off fine as the current drops to zero 120 times per second.

If you're going to use filtering, then it's IGBT time. My first try would be a 1200V TO-247 part. The cathode current you're switching is "only" an amp or two, so there's no need for huge bricks. Unless you screw up the RF bypassing, in which case a bigger device will withstand cooking by RF better. smile
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Wavetuner
Sun Sept 13 2009, 03:46AM
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Yes I plan to filter the supply, but maybe that's not a great idea. What about a SCS Scheme?
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