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Austin
Fri Aug 14 2009, 03:37AM Print
Austin Registered Member #1169 Joined: Wed Dec 12 2007, 09:16AM
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 251
Statement of the issue:
I am 90% positive there is a short somewhere within the high voltage section of my minibrute tesla coil.

Symptoms:
The high voltage charging lite no longer comes on when I slowly turn up the variac (i checked the fuse of course). as I slowly crank up the voltage, the variac physically starts to vibrate and hum as it would if I was pulsing streamers. This leads me to believe a lot of current is flowing through the variac. @ 30volts the wires can get extremely warm and the fuse has popped several times.

What I have tried:
In the image below I have disconnected the DC+ terminal from the half bridge to see if I can charge the main capacitors which I did several times. I then reconnected the terminals but removed the IGBTs. The high voltage lite came on, the relay was working properly and the resistors bleed out the caps properly.

When I reconnected the IGBT I started getting the humming from my variac.

I was not convinced that I had blown my IGBTs so I connected the low voltage portion to see I could hear the IGBTs switching as I used my interrupter. They seemed to be switchin just fine.

Question:
Is it possible to have a blown IGBT that still switches? The only reason I ask is because some of you may know the HGT1N40N60A4D is hard to find these days, so i want to make sure they are the issue before I start buying more transistors.

However it is entirely possible when I removed the IGBTs I was no longer completing the circuit.

Any suggestions or words of wisdom?


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MRacerxdl
Fri Aug 14 2009, 04:28AM
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
Posts: 476
Measure the IGBT's with a multimeter, there you will see if its blowed or not. But for the things you say, I think you have blowed it up. Sorry =(
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Bennem
Fri Aug 14 2009, 05:52AM
Bennem Registered Member #154 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:28PM
Location: Westmidlands, UK
Posts: 260
Hi Austin,
As you suspect, it sounds like your IGBT's and developed a short circuit,
also check your TVS diodes.
If you apply low voltage to your driver, you will still hear the interrupter switching pulses
from your GDT as normal.

I'll have the same problem when i blow my bridge (and i will)
HGT1N40N60A4D's are hard to get now except i beleive Farnell have some left but they are REAL expensive!
Have you tried the IXYS equivelent ones?
or HGT1N30N60A4D's?

All the best,
Mel
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hvguy
Fri Aug 14 2009, 07:13AM
hvguy Registered Member #289 Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 10:45AM
Location: Conroe, TX
Posts: 154
Sorry dude, your IGBTs are dead.

You have effectively ruled out the TVSs and diodes by testing the entire system with only the IGBTs removed. The buzzing will be there regardless of the IGBTs state. You don't have to replace them with the same PN, look around, there are better parts out there. Try Microsemi.
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Finn Hammer
Fri Aug 14 2009, 07:18PM
Finn Hammer Registered Member #205 Joined: Sat Feb 18 2006, 11:59AM
Location: Skørping, Denmark
Posts: 741
hvguy wrote ...

Try Microsemi.

True,
They have some nice parts, although a long turn off delay.
APT200GT60JRDQ4
APT200GT60JRDL
Both boast SSOA 600A@600V

But nobody seems to stock them?

Aron: tell us everything you know!

Cheers, Finn Hammer
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Austin
Sat Aug 15 2009, 01:00AM
Austin Registered Member #1169 Joined: Wed Dec 12 2007, 09:16AM
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 251
Interesting, you can have dead IGBTs that still make the switching buzz noise...

well quest has the exact IGBTs I need for $7.80 dirt cheap!

Quest

Thank you guys for the support!
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hvguy
Sat Aug 15 2009, 03:49AM
hvguy Registered Member #289 Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 10:45AM
Location: Conroe, TX
Posts: 154
Glad to hear you found some replacements, now you just need to figure out how to keep them alive smile


Finn Hammer wrote ...

hvguy wrote ...

Try Microsemi.

Aron: tell us everything you know!

Cheers, Finn Hammer

I don't know Finn, that could take minutes! Haha, seriously, I have tested a bunch of those APT parts and found the APT75GP120JDQ3 to be a good choice. I try and stick with 1200V parts so I have some headroom for noise, but if your pushing that current SOA, whats the point wink The SOT-227 parts are cool, but I prefer the bricks, they are so much more robust... That being said your new circuit may mean these slower/smaller/lower V parts could be made to work more reliably. I really can't wait to get it on the bench again...
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Austin
Thu Aug 27 2009, 06:01AM
Austin Registered Member #1169 Joined: Wed Dec 12 2007, 09:16AM
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 251
Got my bricks last weekend and installed them...she is now purring like a kitten. I didn't know these IGBT's could still make a switching noise after being blown...

Thank you all!

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