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Carbon_Rod
Mon Jul 20 2009, 08:32PM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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A high-speed phototransistor has a higher gain and may inject less switching noise since this is a relatively low-speed isolated communication application where photoconductors may be unnecessary.

Note too, irda transceiver optics (4Mbit/s to 16Mbit/s) can be reclaimed from old cellphones, old laptops, and USB adapters Link2

Increasing broadcast strength is another issue...

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Extreme Electronics
Mon Jul 20 2009, 10:07PM
Extreme Electronics Registered Member #74 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 09:17AM
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CR,
Although getting IrDA optics is easy (I can buy a trancever for £1) geting them to fire into a fibre effeciently would be a difficualt task.

I had thought about scrapping the fibre completly and using just the IdDA in free space, but I suspect the range would be worse and then I definatly can't use full duplex.

Interesting your point about photo transistors being less noisy, but I'd still need an amp. The limitation I have with my current circuit is that it has no automatic gain control, so I need to tweek it to each fibre length, another reason for scrapping it.

I have a bit to go on the TX level as I'm only just over the continious rating of the LED and of course I can now go higher up into the LED's pulse ratings now I'm using an encoder with 1/16th Mark/Space.

Ill get the calculator out and go for more power. see if that improves my BER.

Derek
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Carbon_Rod
Wed Jul 22 2009, 04:03AM
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TOSLINK modules are good up to 10m ($2.-/15Mbps to $30.-/250Mbps)

...And the consumer audio fiber is usually cheap too.


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Extreme Electronics
Wed Jul 22 2009, 09:01AM
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Ive seen the toslink modules, but the UK suppliers that I have tried appear to have them at 10 times that price, thats why I've avoided them, unless anyone here knows of a good UK supplier.

Derek
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Carbon_Rod
Wed Jul 22 2009, 09:47AM
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digikey.com has the 250Mbps transceivers for $27.- and they ship to the UK.

Depending on the desired throughput:
The TX modules should be about $1.59 to $3 each.
The RX modules should be about $1.0 to $2 each.

mouser.com is not that outrageous in price for $1.50 low speed 6Mbps in the UK

These modules usually have logic level i/o.
Best of luck
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Extreme Electronics
Wed Jul 22 2009, 09:53AM
Extreme Electronics Registered Member #74 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 09:17AM
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Thanks,
I was going to source the 1mm logic level receivers from digikey anyway. Id seen the toslink part, but at nearly £25 I'd backed off.

Ill check mouser and see what there service is like into the UK a 6Mb/s set at £1-£2 sounds excelent.

I have a load of other stuff to order so Im sure I can make up a decent order to cut down delivery charges. Just need to get what I need together.

Thanks for the tips..

Derek
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Steve Conner
Wed Jul 22 2009, 09:55AM
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Hey EE

You can get the Toslink transmitters and receivers from Farnell, I think they're about £2-3 each.

Beware the low frequency limit, many of the Toslink receivers are AC coupled with AGC, so they emit random data in the absence of an input signal. This has ruined a few 4hv members' days in the past. Search the forum for discussion on this, and read the small print on the datasheet carefully!
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Extreme Electronics
Wed Jul 22 2009, 10:00AM
Extreme Electronics Registered Member #74 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 09:17AM
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Steve,
Thanks Ill take a look at Farnell.

Id heard of the limitations of the toslink optostuff before in a thread, thanks for reminding me.

Luckily as Im probably going down the route of a blank frame keep alive every 500mS this may allow the toslink's to stay somewhere near their operating point.

Why is nothing in electronics simple, even the simplifications get complicated !

Derek
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Carbon_Rod
Thu Jul 23 2009, 04:39AM
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Indeed, Steve is correct...
0.1 Mbps is the minimum throughput on some modules.

IIRC there is a simple filter some projects have used to suppress the cutout chop.



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