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Small induction heater using 811A

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Tonskulus
Sun May 10 2009, 04:09PM Print
Tonskulus Registered Member #1223 Joined: Thu Jan 10 2008, 04:32PM
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Time to build up new induction heater. My goal is to make compact table top unit for small brazing, soldering etc purposes.
So far i have succesfully made first prototype. Im very pleased about the results. Final version will be equipped with two parallel connected 811A's.
The circuit itself is parallel connected Colpitts oscillator. Tankcoil is surrounded by singleturn coppersheet (currently its aluminium but will be made out of copper) secondary coil. This method will provide hundreds of RF amperes to workcoil. Powersupply is MOT giving 2kV for plate, halfwave rectifier is used there. Ok, some pictures and video:

1241971734 1223 FT0 Vtschema

1241971734 1223 FT0 Iihoo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrLJQvlAok
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Myke
Sun May 10 2009, 07:47PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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Wow. I find that really cool because the design is so simple. How much power are you drawing and at what freq? Does the one turn sec get hot at all? How about the tank caps? I may have to try this some day.
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Tonskulus
Sun May 10 2009, 08:42PM
Tonskulus Registered Member #1223 Joined: Thu Jan 10 2008, 04:32PM
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Myke wrote ...

Wow. I find that really cool because the design is so simple. How much power are you drawing and at what freq? Does the one turn sec get hot at all? How about the tank caps? I may have to try this some day.

Currently, resonant frequency is around 340kHz. Im going to retune it up to 1MHz. Thus, i can use smaller 1-2t workcoils.. I havent measured input power, maybe 300watts using just one tube. Secondary will get warm, it will be made out of copper in final version. It may require watercooling as soon as two tubes are used.

Component values are not optimized yet but seems to be ok for one tube.
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Tonskulus
Thu Dec 24 2009, 07:09AM
Tonskulus Registered Member #1223 Joined: Thu Jan 10 2008, 04:32PM
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I made some improvements for my prototype. Just some fine tuning. Now it can almost melt some small workpieces, screws etc, using single 811A! I think its now tuned to its maximum. Tube is also staying cool, no overheating (redding plate) problems at all.

Soon I will put the whole thing to a small metallic enclosure. It will be nice and compact induction heater to be used for many purposes like soldering, brazing, heat treating and so on.

Two pictures:
811A1

811A2
*mod edit, oversized pix*
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Redstone
Thu Aug 19 2010, 05:40AM
Redstone Registered Member #2578 Joined: Sun Dec 27 2009, 09:21PM
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Does the value of the blocking capacitors matter much? I am thinking of useing 5kv 0.1uf
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Thu Aug 19 2010, 05:52AM
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That looks very nice!

I look forward to seeing it in its final state smile
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Plasmana
Thu Aug 19 2010, 09:08AM
Plasmana Registered Member #3108 Joined: Thu Aug 12 2010, 05:37PM
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That is so cool!

I didn't think tubes can be used in induction heating. I must give this a go as I got a couple of 811A's awaiting to be used in my VTTC.
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Tonskulus
Mon Aug 23 2010, 02:31PM
Tonskulus Registered Member #1223 Joined: Thu Jan 10 2008, 04:32PM
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Plasmana wrote ...

That is so cool!

I didn't think tubes can be used in induction heating. I must give this a go as I got a couple of 811A's awaiting to be used in my VTTC.

Vacuum tubes are used to power induction heaters for more than 70years.. And some manufacturers are still using this method for induction heating RF generators.

Check out ebay.com and search "induction heater", most of them are using vacuun tube oscillators :)
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Aug 23 2010, 03:09PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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What about this, could be a simpler design with less caps and no series choke.

1282576092 152 FT69292 Tubeheat
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Tonskulus
Sun Sept 19 2010, 01:25PM
Tonskulus Registered Member #1223 Joined: Thu Jan 10 2008, 04:32PM
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Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

What about this, could be a simpler design with less caps and no series choke.

1282576092 152 FT69292 Tubeheat


Maybe it works as well..
I just dont like that idea where primary/tank coil is HOT (live). If, for some reason, primary arcs to secondary, there will be full plate voltage @ workcoil!

Thats why im using capacitor between tube and tank circuit (and it also requires that RFC beetween psu and plate). For me, its not a problem. Just takes some more space...

However almost any oscillator type should work, its just the safety!

Grid coupled, hartley and colpitts oscillators are the most common induction heater oscillators.




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