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Homemade HV big capacitors

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Sat Apr 08 2006, 04:45AM
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i never had problems with the Al ripping, but it was kinda hard to roll up and get it to roll straight, i used a piece of 1/2 inch pvc to wrap the cap around and soucked in oil in a piece of 4" pvc, fit perfectly...
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Sat Apr 08 2006, 07:20AM
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streamers rule wrote ...

i never had problems with the Al ripping, but it was kinda hard to roll up and get it to roll straight, i used a piece of 1/2 inch pvc to wrap the cap around and soucked in oil in a piece of 4" pvc, fit perfectly...


The polcarbonate sheets i used wernt perfectly flat so air could get trapped so i coated the sheets in oil as i went and the Al got stuck a few times and diddent slide as well as it did when dry and it ripped while slidding between the sheets during rolling.

- wayne -
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Sat Apr 08 2006, 11:53AM
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Good idea with oil. What dielectric strength did you measured? (I have seen very different values at web)

I have done the following calculus:

material PE UHMW PE standard Mylar Barium Titan
e0 8.85E-12 8.85E-12 8.85E-12 8.85E- 12
er 2.33 2.33 3.1 300
ur permeab 1 1 1 1
V ruptura MV/m 354 181 181 4
Largo m 1 1 1 1
Diametro m 0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
espesor um 1000 1000 500 500
´´ m 1.00E-03 1.00E-03 5.00E-04 5.00E-04
capas 250 250 500 500
long capa m 196.3495408 196.3495408 392.6990817 392.6990817
A m2 1.96E+02 1.96E+02 3.93E+02 3.93E+02
C F 4.05E-06 4.05E-06 2.15E-05 2.09E-03
pF 4048825.707 4048825.707 21547398.61 2085232124
L H 6.40E-12 6.40E-12 1.60E-12 1.60E-12
nH 0.0064 0.0064 0.0016 0.0016
Z ohm 0.001257261 0.001257261 0.000272498 2.77002E-05
V max V 3.54E+05 1.81E+05 9.05E+04 2.00E+03
E Kjul 0 .2537 0.0663 0.0882 0.0042
Vol m3 0.1963 0.1963 0. 1963 0.1963
E/vol KJ/ m3 1.2920 0.3378 0.4494 0.0212

(it is in spanish I am sorry)

Very few nH because I connect the "+" whole sheet in a side and the "-" in another
Polyester UHMW has more KJoules/m3 but must be expensive

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The table can not be seen well, I will make a resume:

Poliester UHMW: 1.3 Kjul/m3
Poliester standard: 0.33 Kjul/m3
Mylar 0.45 Kjul/m3
Barium Titanate: 0.02 Kjul/m3 (because only widstand 4MV/m)
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GODSFUSION wrote ...


The polcarbonate sheets i used wernt perfectly flat so air could get trapped so i coated the sheets in oil as i went and the Al got stuck a few times and diddent slide as well as it did when dry and it ripped while slidding between the sheets during rolling.

- wayne -
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