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Plasma Lover
Thu Feb 19 2009, 08:12PM Print
Plasma Lover Registered Member #1911 Joined: Mon Jan 05 2009, 06:30PM
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Hello everyone,

I recently bought a ferrite core from a forum member and I didn't realize that I would need to build a driver rather than just drive it off of mains, since I didn't realize that ferrite was anything different than the iron plates. So, now, here I am with a transformer that exceeds my abilities to drive it. I was given a reference to Steve Ward's CCPS and to Uzzor's CCPS, but I was unsure of how to lay it all out and was wondering if somebody could tell me a lower power driver that uses simple, common components to drive IGBTs at relatively high energy levels. I would also like to know at what voltages IGBTs operate at maximum performance.

At the moment I have this core -

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and I have a few 2KV .15µF (150nF) CDE capacitors and a few rated at 2KV and .33µF.

I have 30N60 IGBTs (eight of them, and I'm hoping for either a half-bridge or full-bridge).


Well, I suppose that's about it. I'm looking forward to any responses you have.

Thank you for your time,

Christopher
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teslacoolguy
Fri Feb 20 2009, 12:03AM
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There is really no "easy" way to get high energy levels. Usually your basic inverter consists of oscillator---> gate driver---> gate drive transformer---> full bridge of igbt's---> hf ferrite transformer. For the oscillator i recommend using a 555 "easier" or tl494 "greater control over voltage and current" fed into a ucc37322/21 pair driven by 15v. Assuming you know somewhat how bridges work, you feed the ucc outputs into a gate drive transformer and put the 30n60 igbt's in a full bridge configuration. Make sure the igbt's have internal freewheeling diodes or you will have to add your own "mur860 works well". I will not tell you how to hook up the full bridge as it has been covered a billion times already, just use the search function. There are other easier ways of driving it like with a zvs driver but it would not be ideal based on the igbt's you have at your disposal.
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Tonskulus
Fri Feb 20 2009, 10:01AM
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Halfbridge is also suitable for up to several kVA, maybe even more.
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teslacoolguy
Fri Feb 20 2009, 12:42PM
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True, but really the only difference between a half bridge and a full bridge is 2 mosfets/igbt's and 2 extra windings on the gdt :P
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Mads Barnkob
Fri Feb 20 2009, 12:46PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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I will be using uzzors smps as the basis for a 1kW smps design, got a 30mmx30mm area ferrite in the mail atm,
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Tonskulus
Fri Feb 20 2009, 03:00PM
Tonskulus Registered Member #1223 Joined: Thu Jan 10 2008, 04:32PM
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teslacoolguy wrote ...

True, but really the only difference between a half bridge and a full bridge is 2 mosfets/igbt's and 2 extra windings on the gdt :P

And double cost if something goes wrong and mosfets blow up.
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Feb 20 2009, 03:14PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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There is no advantage of using fullbridge over halfbridge, at least with MOSFETs. If you connect 4 FETs in a fullbridge or in a half bridge (parallel each two), the heating and power handling will be almost the same, with easier gate drive.

With IGBT's this also holds true as long as they are well matched.
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GeordieBoy
Fri Feb 20 2009, 04:00PM
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The full-bridge has a number of advantages at high powers. It develops twice the peak-to-peak voltage across the primary of the transformer. For the same power throughput this means that the current is halved. Resistive losses are proportional to the square of the current so they fall by a factor of four. There are however always two switches carrying current at any point in time in the full-bridge so conduction and switching losses will double due to this. Therefore the net gain is only a factor of two, but this is significant at power levels of several kW. The spreading of losses between four devices is also desirable when dissipation starts to approach the limits of package dissipation.

The full-bridge also gets rid of the DC blocking capacitor(s) which start to become bulky and expensive when required to carry lots of amps of AC load current.

-Richie,
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Feb 20 2009, 04:30PM
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The losses will be the same.
Lets take a fullbridge of mosfets with R of turn-on resistance switching current I. The conduction losses will be 2*I*I*R on all devices, because two are conducting at a time.

Lets connect them up to half-bridge, (2 per leg). They are now switching current 2I and the on-resistance of each leg is R/2. But only one "leg" is conducting at a time, so conduction losses are 2I*2I*R/2 = 2*I*I*R.

The same applies to IGBTs with voltage drop being half with halfbridge.

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KLH
Mon Feb 23 2009, 06:36PM
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GeordieBoy wrote ...

The full-bridge has a number of advantages at high powers. It develops twice the peak-to-peak voltage across the primary of the transformer. For the same power throughput this means that the current is halved. Resistive losses are proportional to the square of the current so they fall by a factor of four. There are however always two switches carrying current at any point in time in the full-bridge so conduction and switching losses will double due to this. Therefore the net gain is only a factor of two, but this is significant at power levels of several kW. The spreading of losses between four devices is also desirable when dissipation starts to approach the limits of package dissipation.

The full-bridge also gets rid of the DC blocking capacitor(s) which start to become bulky and expensive when required to carry lots of amps of AC load current.

-Richie,

Good point. I did hear of an alternative to the splitter capacitors; a double-ended supply could be used. However, the use of one of these supplies on a half-bridge results in bus pumping, where the supply rails receive current and increase their voltage, causing regulation and feedback control problems. I would always recommend building a full-bridge, as the expense of the additional components usually is balanced by less problems.
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