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cduma
Tue Feb 03 2009, 03:39AM Print
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I have been asked to do a demo for a local school and I want to vaporize a hotdog with a MOT. How do I find out how much current the transformer draws? All I know is that it is less than 30 amps but, more than enough to heat up an 18 gauge wire uncomfortably hot within seconds.

Whats the best way to limit the current?
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rp181
Tue Feb 03 2009, 03:57AM
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The simple way is to pile on resistor's. The more effeciant way is to build a inductive ballast, a inductor in series of the primery.
I would stay away from hot dog's, mainly because they arn't that spectacular, and there may be some objection and cleanliness issues, due to vegitarians and hot dog mist.
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Myke
Tue Feb 03 2009, 05:59AM
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First: I don't think that bringing an MOT to school and powering it up is the best idea... Remember, MOTs are really, really dangerous.

Answering your question: You could use a bunch of light bulbs (wastes a ton of power) or use an inductive ballast. A MOT pri with the sec shorted works well and if you need even less current, you can series a couple of those MOT ballasts.
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cduma
Sat Feb 07 2009, 09:02PM
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Remember: I am not a student at the school and I want to demonstrate how dangerous high voltage is.

What is more spectacular than hot dog mist? The school wont let me use a real dog... =) JK

I may do the glowing pickle experiment but, I dont think thats very cool at all
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Feb 07 2009, 10:53PM
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If the 120V MOTs draw the same VA as the 230V ones, then they should draw 40+A from 120V when shorted (it may be a very little bit less). And I'm sure you know it won't last more than a few tens of seconds at this current.

If you want it to run for several minutes, you need to ballast it under ~15A, or under 10A for continuous use (with a fan!).

The best way to ballast it for a hotdog cooking is to put the original HV capacitor in series with the secondary. This way the primary current WILL stay under 10A, and you will have ~0.7A on the secondary. Note that it is not usually possible to draw arcs with this setup as the output "looks" to much capacitive.

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Littlew
Sun Feb 08 2009, 06:51PM
Littlew Registered Member #1448 Joined: Sat Apr 19 2008, 01:16PM
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Build ZVS driver. It's more safe to use and it can be powered from variac(to minimize size). Arc temperature from ZVS is enough to cook a hotdog.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Feb 08 2009, 07:47PM
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I have no idea if the current would be enough without overheating the transformer with a continuous near-short on the output.
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cduma
Mon Feb 09 2009, 12:51AM
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I dont think it will draw anywhere near 40A because I have shorted it out and my breakers are only rated for 30A. Maybe I need to change the breakers out...

I dont want to cook the hotdog. I want to vaporize it!
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teslacoolguy
Mon Feb 09 2009, 02:28AM
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I am pretty sure it is impossible to "vaporise" a hot dog with 2kv at 1A. I think you are better off going with a large capacitor bank that will pulse tens of ka of current at a high voltage.
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Shaun
Mon Feb 09 2009, 02:29AM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
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I don't think you will be able to "vaporize" a hotdog with an MOT. You will probably burn the hell out of it and get it really hot, but it will still be intact. In my opinion, this is a job more suited to a capacitor bank.

EDIT: beaten to it!
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