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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jan 25 2009, 11:49AM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hi all, I would like to estimate the DC high voltage output from my transformer.
Is there any graph which shows breakdown distance in relation with applied dc high voltage when using needle electrodes?

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DerSchwamm
Sun Jan 25 2009, 12:18PM
DerSchwamm Registered Member #1936 Joined: Sun Jan 25 2009, 11:34AM
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You were looking for this...

Link2

Right? Needles, *and* Spheres. Oh boy! :)
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jan 25 2009, 12:42PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Thanks, I've seen that page in the past but couldn't find it again smile

PS. It seems that my TV transformer has no problems producing 90kV 8-o

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Antonio
Sun Jan 25 2009, 01:07PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

Thanks, I've seen that page in the past but couldn't find it again smile
PS. It seems that my TV transformer has no problems producing 90kV 8-o

I think that 90 kV is impossible from a TV transformer. The values on that site are for the initial spark, with the electrodes cold. If you increase the separation of the wires after the arc started, the required voltage is much lower. A measurement with balls is more reliable. This video shows the difference between balls and points:
Link2
In this case the arcs don't get much longer with the separation of the electrodes because there is a large resistor in series in the circuit and a capacitor across the gap, to make a series of sparks instead of a continuous arc.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jan 25 2009, 01:24PM
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I can get it to arc at 13.5 cm between two nails. Not draw an arc, but to ignite an arc at this distance. Link2

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DerSchwamm
Sun Jan 25 2009, 02:17PM
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Is that using a tripler module or just straight out of the flyback?

*edit* looking at the pic I realize its just a modern flyback. Thought it might have been one of those old style disc-wound ones. Those could pump some volts. Never seen a newer one that badass though. :)

*second edit*

You driving that with a function generator or just the normal 555 or feedback coupled self oscilating NPN transistors circuit we all know so well.

I never did much with flybacks in all honesty. I stuck to OBITs MOTs and NSTs. And ignition coils.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jan 25 2009, 03:11PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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DerSchwamm wrote ...

You driving that with a function generator or just the normal 555 or feedback coupled self oscilating NPN transistors circuit we all know so well.
That was a 50% duty oscillator into a single MOSFET and a resonant cap across the primary.

DerSchwamm wrote ...

I never did much with flybacks in all honesty. I stuck to OBITs MOTs and NSTs.
I wish I could, these are almost impossible to get where I live (or expensive). I get flybacks and even some MOSFETs for free.

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