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bipolar capacitors -- two polar capacitors?

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electromnomnom
Sun Jan 25 2009, 04:57AM Print
electromnomnom Registered Member #1935 Joined: Sun Jan 25 2009, 04:42AM
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Hello everyone

I've decided to build a ZVS flyback driver recently. Anyway, I'm trying to buy all the components I can from one site (mouser.com). I've found all the parts so far except for a bipolar capacitor with the proper values.

My question: can I use two polar capacitors instead of one bipolar one? I've read some posts on other sites suggesting that this can be done. However, the way to do this is rarely explained or consistent with other sites/posts. I haven't found any posts on this site handling this situation.

It seems most of the posts I read say that two polar capacitors in series, with reversed polarities, works. However, some people say that the capacitance will still be divided and some say it wont.

Any help is much appreciated.

-Mike
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Shaun
Sun Jan 25 2009, 05:07AM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
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electromnomnom
Sun Jan 25 2009, 06:27AM
electromnomnom Registered Member #1935 Joined: Sun Jan 25 2009, 04:42AM
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Wow
Thank you so much Shaun. I looked on that site for about an hour for something like that. I fail pretty hard.

Anyway, I'd still like to know, out of curiosity, about using 2 polar capacitors instead of 1 bipolar one.
How is it done? How does it affect capacitance?
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Electroholic
Sun Jan 25 2009, 08:49AM
Electroholic Registered Member #191 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 02:01AM
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yes, bbut you will also need two diodes.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jan 25 2009, 09:17AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I don't know which capacitor do you mean, but if it's the 0.68uF resonant one, then using two antiparallel electrolytics for it will surely result in an instant explosion...

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Arcstarter
Sun Jan 25 2009, 08:15PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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Well, polar capacitors do not like to be charged in reverse at all. They are not rated for voltage reversal, and i am sure repeated 10-20% would asplode them. BTW the physically larger, the better, as it can dissipate heat better.
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Myke
Mon Jan 26 2009, 01:01AM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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One way of making a bipolar cap from two electrolytic caps is by putting them back to back. This is only good for things like DC blocking for small signal levels. That's all really...
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Firnagzen
Mon Jan 26 2009, 02:41AM
Firnagzen Registered Member #567 Joined: Tue Mar 06 2007, 10:55AM
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Actually, I fail to see how two bipolar caps would work in a LC tank circuit at all.

A tank circuit depends on power 'sloshing' from the inductor to the capacitor, yes? Now, if you have two bipolar capacitors, say energy from the inductor goes into cap A. Now, for a normal tank circuit, the voltage would then reverse. That wouldn't work for antiparallel capacitors as far as I can see.
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Myke
Mon Jan 26 2009, 03:56AM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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The polar caps wouldn't be in anti parallel if it would stand the high currents in a tank circuit. They would be put in series with either the negative or the positive connected to each other.
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big5824
Mon Jan 26 2009, 04:45PM
big5824 Registered Member #1687 Joined: Tue Sept 09 2008, 08:47PM
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if its 0.68uf why not just use a ceramic capacitor....
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