Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 53
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
All today's birthdays', congrats!
Barry (70)
Snowcat (37)
wylie (43)


Next birthdays
02/01 Barry (70)
02/01 Snowcat (37)
02/01 wylie (43)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: Tesla Coils
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

How does a VTTC work?

1 2 
Move Thread LAN_403
Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jan 11 2009, 07:54PM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
Posts: 3384
Just wondering about the theory, as I'm not gonna build a VTTC because tubes are out of my price range...

If the feedback was wound directly over primary, there would be no phase difference so the circuit could not oscillate. Right?
If so, how does feedback position and proximity to primary affect tuning?

Back to top
Dennis Rogers
Sun Jan 11 2009, 08:16PM
Dennis Rogers Registered Member #1837 Joined: Tue Dec 02 2008, 02:20PM
Location: NYC
Posts: 65
I'm a novice but i found good info here. Link2 In the #2 section he describes what is happening with the oscillation.

I would have said feedback position is pretty critical for proper firing of tube's plate. That the proximity must be related to amount of time AC sin wave takes to induce current in the feedback.

I would like to add I am completely guessing here but it kind of makes sense to me like that.
Back to top
Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jan 11 2009, 08:34PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
Posts: 3384
Flying Copper wrote ...

I'm a novice but i found good info here. Link2 In the #2 section he describes what is happening with the oscillation.

...This turns the tube on and off at just the right times to keep the cycling going, and this is how the oscillator works.
At just the right times? How does it know? mistrust

Back to top
Myke
Sun Jan 11 2009, 09:08PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
Location: MIT
Posts: 969
The position of the feedback determines the the coupling to the primary. I think it would take the same amount of time for the signal to reach the coil no matter the position (it's just a magnetic field inducing voltage in some wire). Also, I don't think that the circuit actually "knows" what times to turn it on and off. It does it at the right times...
Back to top
Arcstarter
Sun Jan 11 2009, 09:11PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
Location: Beaumont, Texas, USA
Posts: 2253
Well, as soon as the pulse starts some of the energy is coupled into the feedback, which switches the tube off. The capacitor and grid leak resistor control how long it stays off. As stated on that site of Steve's, the tube is usually only on like 10% of each cycle.
Back to top
Proud Mary
Sun Jan 11 2009, 09:17PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4992
It's an RF power oscillator.
Back to top
Dr. Drone
Sun Jan 11 2009, 09:20PM
Dr. Drone Registered Member #290 Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 08:24PM
Location:
Posts: 1673
shades
Back to top
vasil
Sun Jan 11 2009, 09:30PM
vasil Registered Member #229 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 07:33PM
Location: Romania
Posts: 506
Well I have an explanation, but dont shot me, I am not sure is correct.
The capacitor c in the RC grid circuit polarise negatively the grid (it is charged by the feedback coil L3, in the first half cycle, using the fillament- grid space as a vacuum diode) . The resistence r is a leakage resistor that discharge the capacitor c at a slow rate, so the maximum voltage accross c start decreasing. In the second half cyle when the voltage produced by L3 is higher than the voltage on the capacitor c (decreased by the leakage resistor), the tube start to conduct for a short period of time, until the output from L3 decrease under the negative voltage of c.

But the rlc circuit, as a whole, is subjected to an AC current. The rc network include a lagging of the voltage behind the current, so the seried L3 coil is needed to be matched to compensate somehow the de-phasage between voltage and current. So, we have a parallel circuit RC in serie with an inductance L3 and we can get a phasorial description:

Th

The coupling between primary (L1) and feedback coil (L3) affects the value of U(L3) vector (which is normal to the voltage on the rc network), so for the best coupling between primary (L1) and feedback coil (L3), U(L3) has the right value to reduce at minimum the angle phase between the current and voltage. BTW, the U(L3) has to be high enough to compensate the reactance of the rc circuit.
Back to top
StevenCaton
Mon Jan 12 2009, 04:20AM
StevenCaton Registered Member #1845 Joined: Fri Dec 05 2008, 05:38AM
Location: California
Posts: 211
BTW what is with all the VTTC interest lately…………..i love it!
Its probably due to the Quad 833C thread. cheesey
Back to top
HV Enthusiast
Tue Jan 13 2009, 12:39AM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
Location:
Posts: 3068
The type of Grid drive used is called a "Grid Leak" network.

Just search for this and you'll find out all the info you need about it.
Back to top
1 2 

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.