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Why use GDTs....

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Nicko
Mon Dec 01 2008, 08:54PM Print
Nicko Registered Member #1334 Joined: Tue Feb 19 2008, 04:37PM
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...when there are so many chips capable of driving FETs/IGBTs in half-bridge configurations without using a GDT? It seems that standard motor or inverter driver chips from a number of manufacturers are pretty much ideal for hitting big drivers, with the added bonus of coming with a raft of protective circuitry...

So why does everyone use GDTs? Yes, they are simple and pretty foolproof, but they are big and carry their own baggage...

Thoughts?
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teslacoolguy
Mon Dec 01 2008, 09:27PM
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I use gdt's because they make the bridge completely isolated from all the driver circuitry.
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Dr. Drone
Mon Dec 01 2008, 10:19PM
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Steve Ward
Tue Dec 02 2008, 03:02AM
Steve Ward Registered Member #146 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:21AM
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The largest shortcomings of the high-side gate drive chips are as follows:

1) propagation delays are often longer than transformer coupled methods and often un-even (shorter rise time, longer fall time type thing).

2) they dont tolerate poor layout. Negative spiking of the high side driver source connection will destroy the isolation barrier internal to the chip. I found many half-bridge drivers failed this way when designing motor controllers... it would surely be worse for tesla coils.

3) they typically only work up to 600V

4) they require isolated power supplies, which often have hidden problems like extra parasitic capacitance. Boot strapping has its own limitations at start up, or when the drive sits idle.

5) often cost more money than GDTs.

6) difficult to get negative Vge bias that is integral to transformer drive.

I honestly cant think of why you would not want to use a GDT for tesla coil work where the drive waveform is 50% duty cycle and no additional deadtime. After having explored many other gate drive options (also part of my job as an R&D engineer designing inverters) i find GDTs to be simple, robust and very effective. Of course that can all go wrong with poor design, but on the other hand, its much easier to screw up other types of high-side gate driving.
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Nicko
Tue Dec 02 2008, 11:32AM
Nicko Registered Member #1334 Joined: Tue Feb 19 2008, 04:37PM
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Thanks for the comments - I was interested as no-one seemed to be doing anything else, and being curmudgeonly & contrary, I wondered why...

Being specific, I was looking at the ST L6384E, and AN2738 from them.

If you think its a no-go, I'll stick with the GDT approach, but they sure looked interesting. The app note is a good read anyway about general practice/design theory.

Cheers!
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue Dec 02 2008, 12:20PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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I "sploded" many of the IC gate drivers until I found the failure mode - the floating supply's ground spikes often many volts under the -V buss, overvolting the chip/gate or making it to act funny in other ways (like both outputs go HIGH at the same time).
They work fine for applications where there's not much inductive current, but for TCs, they are mostly unusable.

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Dylan
Thu Dec 04 2008, 01:17PM
Dylan Registered Member #1024 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 10:56AM
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simple,cheap,proven,reliable,simple,flexible,simpl e,cheap,flexible,robust .........

Proven Reliable Simple.
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