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Difference IRFP460/IRFP460N of sstc

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Robert2
Fri Oct 24 2008, 09:38PM Print
Robert2 Registered Member #1773 Joined: Tue Oct 21 2008, 06:56PM
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Hello, note for me difference of IRFP460 and IRFP460N I buy 4 IRFP460 (no have "N" ) and i burned it :( My schema of sstc

1224884310 1773 FT0 Sstcschema1



Ps. i used IRFP460N and my sstc worked ~10 minutes (hard worked) and IRFP460N burned, but i used IRFP460 my sstc worked (half sparks on 230V) ~ 0,5 min.... and burned IRFP460...
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MRacerxdl
Fri Oct 24 2008, 11:44PM
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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Dont put the inverter gates in series, put it only one, and others put the input to ground or vcc.
Much gates in series cause delay, and that can make the coil out of tune and kill the mosfets.

Other thing, that interrupter makes things worsed , the ideal interrupter make the two mosfet drivers (TC4421 and 4422) with the outputs to 0V. That interrupter only will stop the incoming antenna signal.

The N series of Mosfets are newer and better.
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LithiumLord
Sat Oct 25 2008, 01:17AM
LithiumLord Registered Member #1739 Joined: Fri Oct 03 2008, 10:05AM
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Baah, this schematic will blow for sure! (sorry) I guess you've forgot to draw the antenna fork ground, but that's not the point. 4421/2 have no enable, so it's all about logic for you. I'd advice an AND gate for the non-inverting driver and OR for the inverting one, both rigged up to 555 output. (yet myself I prefer synchronized interrupt which disables the drive only when the generator signal edge comes)
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MRacerxdl
Sat Oct 25 2008, 01:38PM
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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You can use that schematic for your drivers:
Link2

But personally the interrupter circuit that works best is with two identical drivers, because when the interrupter gets on, both Drivers out will be the same output state, so no energy on the gdt cap.
Like mine of all sstc's:
Link2

I have tested both, and both work good.
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Robert2
Sat Oct 25 2008, 06:37PM
Robert2 Registered Member #1773 Joined: Tue Oct 21 2008, 06:56PM
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My sstc worked, but i buy bad IRFP460 in internet of auction, why bad? he is a imitation IRFP460 not IRFP460... i buy imitation... whole sstc worket imitation are cold- voltake dead my irfp no power... on sstc i give only 230V, IFRP460 Have 500V, imitation have ~200V ? i dont know, i know only i buy imitation not IRFP460 :/ My sstc: 81 1223762981 Thumb


Sorry for my bad English but i am Pole
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Myke
Sat Oct 25 2008, 07:34PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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They might have died due to resonant voltage rise. You want the MOSFETs to be rated over 4 times the supply voltage. I think.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Oct 25 2008, 07:43PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Myke wrote ...

They might have died due to resonant voltage rise. You want the MOSFETs to be rated over 4 times the supply voltage. I think.
This is only in the current fed parallel resonant push-pull inverter aka "zvs". In a halfbridge they will only see 1x supply voltage (+any spikes from wiring inductance that may occur).


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MRacerxdl
Sun Oct 26 2008, 02:07AM
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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Yeah, I run a Half Bridge of IRFP250 with full wave retified mains, that get 170VDC, and the IRFP250 is 200VDC rate.
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LithiumLord
Sun Oct 26 2008, 03:28AM
LithiumLord Registered Member #1739 Joined: Fri Oct 03 2008, 10:05AM
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>You can use that schematic for your drivers:
LOL (sry)
It has two AND gates, so it gives low level on the output drivers when interruptor output is low, that will never work well. One gate should be an OR gate with an inversed interuptor signal on it's input, so when the interruptor sends low, the inverting driver input remains high while the non-inverting remains low.
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MRacerxdl
Sun Oct 26 2008, 03:31PM
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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That is what I say, the better one is that using two equal drivers, like the second schematic that I have post:
Link2
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