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What else we can use instead of booster, if boosters are poorest option for charging the cap?

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Gratitude
Wed Oct 08 2008, 06:57PM Print
Gratitude Registered Member #1702 Joined: Wed Sept 17 2008, 10:14PM
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what we can use instead of boost converter, if the boosters are the poorest option for charging the capacitors?
if anybody knows, please help me to figure it out
thanks
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TheMerovingian
Wed Oct 08 2008, 07:11PM
TheMerovingian Registered Member #14 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:04PM
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Full wave rectified royer push/pull converter: compact, powerful and simple to construct. Also can be switched on and off pulling down the mosfet gates (make sure your comparator has some hysteresys)
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Backyard Skunkworks
Wed Oct 08 2008, 07:20PM
Backyard Skunkworks Registered Member #1262 Joined: Fri Jan 25 2008, 05:22AM
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Boost converters are not the worst option for charging caps, I don't believe. However, a small power inverter with a rectified output would seem to be the ideal option.

Link2 has a schematic that gives you a rough idea of how an inverter works. Building something similar with rectified output should be perfect for charging caps.
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uzzors2k
Wed Oct 08 2008, 07:41PM
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This is what I consider the next step up from the boost converter. Link2
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Gratitude
Wed Oct 08 2008, 09:48PM
Gratitude Registered Member #1702 Joined: Wed Sept 17 2008, 10:14PM
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Uzzors wrote ...

This is what I consider the next step up from the boost converter. Link2
can i ask you for the schematic if there is no problem for you, and i have lots of question about that
thank you
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rp181
Wed Oct 08 2008, 11:06PM
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Voltage Multiplier is simple, and can be powerful.
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youngcoilgunner
Thu Oct 09 2008, 12:45AM
youngcoilgunner Registered Member #1633 Joined: Tue Aug 12 2008, 04:21AM
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yes, i fiddled around with inverters for awhile, bt i had trouble getting them to invert. you could always use lots and lots of triple A's, which would mean riddiculusly fast charging times, but would make it very heavy. it would be simpler to construct though

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aonomus
Thu Oct 09 2008, 03:18AM
aonomus Registered Member #1497 Joined: Thu May 22 2008, 05:24AM
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My only thought would be a ballasted voltage multiplier running off of AC mains with a soft start system... but only for really *really* big cap banks imo since you loose some control over charge voltage (without a variac).
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Camel
Thu Oct 09 2008, 10:24AM
Camel Registered Member #1694 Joined: Sat Sept 13 2008, 09:13AM
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I'm ganna say a fly back circuit is a good option simply because they use them in the flashing lights on the wing tips of most aircraft. If those circuits can survive bouncing around on the end of a wing at -60C with very low air pressure, then they can survive in your coil gun im sure.
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Dr. Slack
Thu Oct 09 2008, 10:40AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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The flyback is the way to go, for several reasons

1) charging caps is basically a current-source job, a flyback is naturally high output impedeance

2) It runs at high efficiency (useful for battery operated equipment) at all stages of the charge cycle

3) The output voltage is very flexible, the same supply might be used to charge different caps to a wide range of voltages, with no change to the supply apart from terminal voltage detection

The more astute will have notice that all three reasons are just different aspects of the same physics

4) It's easy to choose the primary turns to run from very low voltage batteries, or higher voltage for lower primary current.

BUT, because it charges with current, and not to a well-defined voltage, you need to monitor the cap charge and switch it off, either manually with a DVM, or automatically with a voltage divider+comparator; the latter adds to complexity, and just don't get distracted during the former.

A Cockcroft Walton multiplier also has a high output impedance, and has the big advantage of charging to a well defined terminal voltage, so it would be a very good choice for a ghetto charger. However, it's inefficient at low voltages, and slow at high voltages.
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