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Myke
Wed Sept 10 2008, 01:47PM
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Hmm... I recharged the batteries and I am now getting parasitic oscillations at 36V. It killed the IRFP250N sad . What resistance for the gate resistors is too much? Is there any better MOSFET than the IRFP250N (besides the IRFP250)?
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed Sept 10 2008, 02:43PM
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The only fix I'm aware of is increasing gate pullup resistors, or better and more advanced solution is active gate driver (Its not that complicated, my design invloves a 74HC14, inverting and non-inverting gate drive chips. If you want I can publish it here).
How high voltage zeners do you use? 12V could theoretically decrease the self-oscillations, try different value zeners (~12-20V) and watch the effect.

The funny thing that "lousy" design with long/thin wires flying everywhere on the table seems to be actually more immune to the self-oscillation.


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Myke
Wed Sept 10 2008, 11:42PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

The only fix I'm aware of is increasing gate pullup resistors, or better and more advanced solution is active gate driver (Its not that complicated, my design invloves a 74HC14, inverting and non-inverting gate drive chips. If you want I can publish it here).
How high voltage zeners do you use? 12V could theoretically decrease the self-oscillations, try different value zeners (~12-20V) and watch the effect.

Sure, you can publish it here. Does 560ohms seem too little for 36V? The MOSFET died by the gate being shorted to everything... Maybe from too high Vds voltages? 36*pi= ~110V but they are 200V devices... Are there voltage spikes when it goes into parasitic oscillations? On power up? I use 12V zeners. Should I use higher voltage ones?
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hboy007
Thu Sept 11 2008, 10:59AM
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You should increase the values of the pullup resistors to about 1.5k, I suppose.
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Myke
Fri Sept 19 2008, 01:11AM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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Ok, so I got it all to work fine for a bit. Replaced the resistors with 560ohms and it worked fine at 24V but still had parasitic oscillations at 36V. I then changed the resistors to 620ohms and got arcs like this from my best flyback.

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I changed the flyback to one with an internal capacitor and was having fun discharging it when the MOSFET died. Is there any way to clamp the voltage so that the fets don't die from exceeding the Vds rating? Maybe some neons in series with a current limiting resistor, would that work.
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Electroholic
Fri Sept 19 2008, 04:58AM
Electroholic Registered Member #191 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 02:01AM
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TVS would probably work better.
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Sept 19 2008, 08:21AM
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Myke, I would post the circuit but I won't because I've killed an IGBT with it recently. So its probably not really that reliable.


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Myke
Fri Sept 19 2008, 01:27PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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Don't TVSs stop working properly after a couple over voltages? Don't want to be replacing the TVSs all the time because they shorted...
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Wolfram
Fri Sept 19 2008, 02:31PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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No, you're thinking of varistors, TVSes should last pretty much forever if you don't overcurrent them. TVSes are avalanche diodes and can be used where you would normally use a zener diode ("zener diodes" of over a few tens of volts are usually avalanche diodes). The standard 1.5KE series seem to be able to handle about 5W dissipation, and they are available in voltages up to 440V, and are often much cheaper than equivalent "zeners". Just keep in mind that the voltage is not as accurate.


A.M.
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Myke
Fri Sept 19 2008, 11:19PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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Ah, I see. Thanks, I'll have to try to get some 200V TVSs then and compare the voltages to try to get near matching pairs.
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