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Proud Mary
Mon Mar 08 2010, 08:31AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Well, I am surprised, Rich.

Not surprised that X-rays are produced by unwinding 'Sellotape,' but that they have energy sufficient to penetrate the bell jar, the air intervening between the jar and the G-M tube,
the G-M tube window, and so on.

It's rather a pity you were unable to use a transducer more suitable for X-ray measurement than a G-M sensor.

If we knew the keVage (! smile ) of the rays, we would better be able to understand their origin.
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radiotech
Mon Mar 08 2010, 05:40PM
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The energy levels are small, true, but these days a great deal of work is being done on credit card proximity technology.

Perhaps a system exists that transmits the fact that you did open a letter.

Tinfoil hats? Anti-static spray...

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klugesmith
Mon Mar 08 2010, 10:53PM
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Proud Mary wrote ...
It's rather a pity you were unable to use a transducer more suitable for X-ray measurement than a G-M sensor.
If we knew the keVage (! smile ) of the rays, we would better be able to understand their origin.
My hands have been full, just getting the vacuum apparatus to work.
When there is time for my -own- x-ray hobby, you can be sure I shall be properly quantitative.
But -- here is the setup from the original Nature paper, using the same model GM instrument as I used: Link2
and here is their vacuum system -- perhaps a wee bit fancier than ours? smile Link2
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Proud Mary
Mon Mar 08 2010, 11:18PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Klugesmith wrote ...

Proud Mary wrote ...
It's rather a pity you were unable to use a transducer more suitable for X-ray measurement than a G-M sensor.
If we knew the keVage (! smile ) of the rays, we would better be able to understand their origin.
My hands have been full, just getting the vacuum apparatus to work.
When there is time for my -own- x-ray hobby, you can be sure I shall be properly quantitative.
But -- here is the setup from the original Nature paper, using the same model GM instrument as I used: Link2
and here is their vacuum system -- perhaps a wee bit fancier than ours? smile Link2


Thanks for that, Rich. It does seem remiss that the original experimenters didn't use an X-ray spectrometer, where all the characteristic emission peaks and bremsstrahlung would have been laid out, so one could better understand the mechanism of the phenomenon. That's what I'd do, anyhow! smile
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