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TheMooseGoesMoo
Sat Aug 02 2008, 10:10PM Print
TheMooseGoesMoo Registered Member #1576 Joined: Sun Jul 06 2008, 12:48AM
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I'm using the 555 circuit posted by Dr. Kilovolt a while ago to drive my flyback transformer, and for some reason I can only get a 1/2 cm spark. Also, the mosfet gets hot enough to melt the solder. Anybody have any idea whats wrong?
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Myke
Sat Aug 02 2008, 10:36PM
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What MOSFET are you using? Is there a heatsink on your MOSFET? What's the input voltage? What freq is going to the flyback (if you don't know, what are the values of the components?) Is the output of the 555 enough to turn the MOSFET all the way on?

Maybe you could make a totem pole trasistor configuration. Donno if that would help...
Pics can be usefull too.
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TheMooseGoesMoo
Sat Aug 02 2008, 11:06PM
TheMooseGoesMoo Registered Member #1576 Joined: Sun Jul 06 2008, 12:48AM
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I'm using a 2SK2771, and the mosfet is on a 9"x4.5"x1.5" heatsink, and the input voltage to the flyback is 12v.
I am using this circuit:
1215153281 152 FT49027 555flyback
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Myke
Sun Aug 03 2008, 12:26AM
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Try adding a diode across the MOSFET so that the anode is going to the neg. This will help suppress the spikes. Also a high voltage cap that is about .01uF across the MOSFET might help too.
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TheMooseGoesMoo
Sun Aug 03 2008, 01:49AM
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Just wondering, why does the capacitor need a high voltage rating?
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aonomus
Sun Aug 03 2008, 02:10AM
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I would guess because the primary winding + the flyback core acts like a giant inductor that wants to dump a ton of energy into a closed mosfet
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Antonio
Sun Aug 03 2008, 02:12AM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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When the transistor turns off, the current trough the primary coil can't be interrupted immediately, and produces a very high voltage pulse over the transistor. With a capacitor in parallel with the transistor (or the coil), it absorbs the current and limits the pulse to a voltage that doesn't force the transistor to conduct again with high power dissipation. The pulse must exist, because its voltage is multiplied by the transformer turns ratio to produce the high-voltage output.
Most flyback transformers will not produce more than 1 cm of spark between smooth surfaces. Maybe 2-3 cm between points, somewhat more if the arc is stretched after it forms.
If the transistor is too hot to be touched, it is too hot and there is something wrong. Verify if the 555 is really oscillating, at least at a few kHz.
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Ken M.
Sun Aug 03 2008, 02:13AM
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Because of inductive kickback, a coil can easily kick back upto 4x the input voltage. So if you were to input 15v a kickback could be 60v.
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Antonio
Sun Aug 03 2008, 02:18AM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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Ken M. wrote ...

Because of inductive kickback, a coil can easily kick back upto 4x the input voltage. So if you were to input 15v a kickback could be 60v.

If you use the normal primary winding, the pulse may reach more than 1000 V.
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Dr. SSTC
Sun Aug 03 2008, 03:03AM
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as Marko says this cuircuit is usless, unless your going to use a quasi-resonant capacitor
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