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Can a MOT charge a capacitor bank without rectification?

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Plasmaarc452
Sun Jul 20 2008, 05:06AM Print
Plasmaarc452 Registered Member #1394 Joined: Sun Mar 16 2008, 06:18PM
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Alright, I just figured out how to use my scr yesterday so now I can build my 400 joule coilgun. But I have a problem, I do not have a charger capable of charging the capacitor so I was thinking of using a MOT.

Can I simply connect the MOT to the wall and the output windings to the capacitors? Or do I have to use filter capacitors and diodes to make the output dc? (Like this Link2 )

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Andyman
Sun Jul 20 2008, 05:20AM
Andyman Registered Member #1083 Joined: Mon Oct 29 2007, 06:16PM
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If your caps are electrolytics, then no. Electrolytics and alternating current don't go good together. They blow up. Plus, if you want to keep any significant amount of charge on the caps, AC would do nothing. Alternating current cannot charge a DC capacitor by itself.
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Plasmaarc452
Sun Jul 20 2008, 05:56AM
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So I do need to rectify the output from the mot, and yes my capacitors are electrolytics.

What value do the diodes need to be? (Ie Voltage, Current, Wattage).

As for the filter capacitors I read that you can use the one that is already in the microwave.

Thanks for the help
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jul 20 2008, 08:31AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Plasmaarc452 wrote ...

So I do need to rectify the output from the mot, and yes my capacitors are electrolytics.

What value do the diodes need to be? (Ie Voltage, Current, Wattage).

As for the filter capacitors I read that you can use the one that is already in the microwave.

Thanks for the help
You can use the MO capacitor in series with MOT output to limit current, and you need to use a fullwave rectifier. I would say 5kV diodes would do fine (e.g. 5x 1N4007 for each leg, total 20 diodes)
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Arcstarter
Sun Jul 20 2008, 05:20PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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You could just use the MO diode in series with the output. It will charge somewhat slower than a fullwave rectifier but it is quite simple. And as Dr. Kilovolt suggested you will need some kind of current limiting, use either the capacitor right after the windings and before the diode(s) or just use a very high wattage resistor(some 100 watts). If you do not limit the current it will draw alot of current. Also it will heat up the mot and that is not good when you want to shoot the gun often, as a very hot mot can take longer than an hour to cool completely off in room temperature.
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