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Is There a Size Cutt-Off for Filter caps?

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quicksilver
Wed Jul 16 2008, 03:27PM Print
quicksilver Registered Member #1408 Joined: Fri Mar 21 2008, 03:49PM
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When looking at various designs for power supplies I notice that the filter cap has large amounts of capacitance frequently (but not always) in tens of thousands of mircofarads. My question deals with design criteria. Is there a lower or upper cut-off of such capacitance?

In rough designs where a non-specific transformer is mentioned for a 12v supply I've seen the filer cap listed as 22,000 uf; another example has one of greater capacitance. Other times I've seen them substantially smaller. I looked at the possibility of a relationship to other components but have yet to find any. It almost seems they pick a large number out of the air....(?)

If a larger level of capacitance has greater filtering capability, is there a level that should not be LOWER? By examining the design how can a person decide this capacity? Aside from smoothing the signal, is there something the filter cap does that I'm not taking into consideration?
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Zum Beispiel
Wed Jul 16 2008, 03:56PM
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It is suggested to use 2200µF for every amp of current draw (fullwave rectified, 50Hz).
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Proud Mary
Wed Jul 16 2008, 04:25PM
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The size of the filter capacitor is determined by the allowable ripple voltage for a particular application/load current.
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed Jul 16 2008, 08:26PM
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Zb wrote ...

It is suggested to use 2200µF for every amp of current draw (fullwave rectified, 50Hz).
Voltage matters too, using your formula the output will have constant ripple voltage which may be negligible at high voltages but might cause problems at lower ones.

The answer is 1) consider maximum allowable ripple voltage for your application, 2) size your cap so that the maximum load ripple does not exceed allowable value.


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Coronafix
Wed Jul 16 2008, 11:37PM
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It depends on the current of the load and application of course.
If you know the percentage ripple you want and the current drawn,
you can use Vrpp = I / (2f * C)
For example, your 12V power supply with a 10% ripple supplying 2.5A
would need a 22,000 uF cap.
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aonomus
Thu Jul 17 2008, 01:08AM
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I've been wondering, if you are making say a 12V 30A power supply which might have some ripple, can you put a bunch of 10,000 uF caps, some 1 uF poly caps, and some 0.1 uF caps, that way the large ripples are taken care of by the big caps and small ripples by the ceramics?
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Myke
Thu Jul 17 2008, 01:21AM
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I think the .1uF caps are for the ripple/noise made by the regulator if there is one.
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Dr. SSTC
Thu Jul 17 2008, 01:27AM
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Myke wrote ...

I think the .1uF caps are for the ripple/noise made by the regulator if there is one.

not neciceraly, iv opend wall warts with 4 0.1uf disc cerammics
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teslacoolguy
Thu Jul 17 2008, 02:25AM
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Those wall warts must have been very poorly made because every one i have opened up had a elec cap of 47uf or higher.
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Dr. SSTC
Thu Jul 17 2008, 05:37AM
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teslacoolguy wrote ...

Those wall warts must have been very poorly made because every one i have opened up had a elec cap of 47uf or higher.

what do you mean a 47uf or higher ceramic capacitor, and it was a panasonic
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