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dingo27
Mon Jun 16 2008, 07:08PM Print
dingo27 Registered Member #890 Joined: Tue Jul 10 2007, 10:06PM
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I am currently in tage of looking best switch for my TC. It is working at appx. 400kHz, and 40V (i am planning to use it on 200V) and it is fed from TTL output.

Which one would be best, or with which one you have good performance?

Currently i am looking from one of those:
BUP212 IGBT 22A/1200V TO220 (only this IGBT i can buy, so other should be mosfets)

IRL540N Logic level mosfet 100V 36A TO220 RdsON 0,044ohm (can be driven directly from TTL output which looks great (as they say))

I was using few ones, IRFS630A, IRF540, IRF510 and they had performance in order as they are written (IRFS had best). I also tried IRFPE30, CEF026N and SSS7n60, but performance poor or none.

Thanks for responses.
//edit - as i see, the input capacitance for IRL is 1800pF, that is too high value, isn´t it? I had problems drive 500pF IRF510, but 600pF IRFS630A was good, so i dont know.
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Mates
Mon Jun 16 2008, 07:26PM
Mates Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
Location: Czech Rep.
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dingo27 wrote ...

I am currently in tage of looking best switch for my TC. It is working at appx. 400kHz, and 40V (i am planning to use it on 200V) and it is fed from TTL output.

Which one would be best, or with which one you have good performance?

Currently i am looking from one of those:
BUP212 IGBT 22A/1200V TO220 (only this IGBT i can buy, so other should be mosfets)

IRL540N Logic level mosfet 100V 36A TO220 RdsON 0,044ohm (can be driven directly from TTL output which looks great (as they say))

I was using few ones, IRFS630A, IRF540, IRF510 and they had performance in order as they are written (IRFS had best). I also tried IRFPE30, CEF026N and SSS7n60, but performance poor or none.

Thanks for responses.

The IGBT looks too slow for 400KHz
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dingo27
Tue Jun 17 2008, 01:27PM
dingo27 Registered Member #890 Joined: Tue Jul 10 2007, 10:06PM
Location: Slovakia
Posts: 180
thanks, another ideas?
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue Jun 17 2008, 01:53PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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dingo27 wrote ...

thanks, another ideas?
Are you running the coil with single transistor? If so then you should consider class E tuning.


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Marko
Tue Jun 17 2008, 02:04PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Hi guys,

I found what looks like a great mosfet for SSTC:

Link2

Seeing there are many of newcomers you could do a group buy and even reduce the price further. Just be careful with blowing them up...

I would not recommend any kind of single-switch topology to be used for a high power SSTC at low frequencies.


Probably the biggest problem I see is general lack of easy, working circuits that can be used as they are.
Probably the only circuit in existence that is without major flaws is Steve Ward's 4046 PLL circuit, which is still *hidden* on his site.
I hoped Steve would put it on pages but he never accessed his site since then.

Link2

PS. oh, and I assume this thread would really belong more to Tesla Coil forum?




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flannelhead
Tue Jun 17 2008, 02:27PM
flannelhead Registered Member #952 Joined: Mon Aug 13 2007, 11:07AM
Location: Finland
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Yeah, with class E and a MOSFET with low Rds(on) resistance (<100mOhm) you should be able to get minimal losses. I think you should focus more on the gate driver than the MOSFET itself. There are very few MOSFETs which can be driven from TTL signal at 400kHz.
First, you need to step up the voltage to 12 volts. That is usually needed to fully turn on a power MOSFET. (There are a few exceptions, though.) Second, you need to have a gate drive stage which has high current capacibility. It can be done like this:
1213712635 952 FT47574 Gatedriver
So, what this circuit does:
The class A amplifier stage with the BS170 and 100 ohm resistor steps up the voltage from the 5V logic level to 12V. Note that this inverts the output, though! Then there's a class B push pull with BD139/40 to get enough gate drive current. This push pull pair can't amplify voltage, so that's why the class A stage is needed.
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Bjørn
Tue Jun 17 2008, 06:36PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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Moved to the Tesla Coils Forum.
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Tom540
Tue Jun 17 2008, 07:24PM
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Forget that mosfet if you're going to order from digikey then I highly recommend these.

Link2

They are fast as hell, more powerful and cheaper than those 55n50's. I use them all the time.
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dingo27
Tue Jun 17 2008, 10:03PM
dingo27 Registered Member #890 Joined: Tue Jul 10 2007, 10:06PM
Location: Slovakia
Posts: 180
whoah, thanks for all responses, but i cant get any other parts as on Link2, because it vould be difficult and expensive to buy from another country.

As i think, my basic ttl driver is really great, but it only needs more power to switch mosfets. I tried paralleling TTL to get more Amps, doing amplifier with some chips. but as i found (at least) mosfet driver, i am soo happy.
It is IR2111PBF from IR (DIP8), or those from
IR2110PBF dip14
IR2125PBF dip8

but i am looking for that 2111, is there anybody who had experience (good experience) with that? Because if i had good mosfet driver, i can power my fullbridge (which was ready time ago, but cant be driven) from IRF540 (or half of them...) and i also cant buy all of them because they are expensive here
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