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34.5kV pole pig

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GeordieBoy
Mon Jun 02 2008, 09:28AM
GeordieBoy Registered Member #1232 Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
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With inductive ballast and AC resonant charging in a conventional TC you could expect that transformer to charge the tank cap to something in the region of 90kV. As you said, it would need a good cap and RSG for that voltage!

You could also surely push the 10kVA figure to at least 30kVA for short runs based on the fact that such a large mass of oil, iron and copper isn't going to heat up quickly.

-Richie,
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Steve Conner
Mon Jun 02 2008, 09:35AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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OMG! We must see a Jacob's Ladder!
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Experimentonomen
Mon Jun 02 2008, 03:19PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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Oh lord suprised *hides in a hv resistant bunker*
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Andyman
Mon Jun 02 2008, 04:07PM
Andyman Registered Member #1083 Joined: Mon Oct 29 2007, 06:16PM
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suprised Wow.
Hehe, get a resonant cap and then run a jacobs ladder off of it. I can't even picture how long the arcs would be. amazed
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J. Aaron Holmes
Mon Jun 02 2008, 04:57PM
J. Aaron Holmes Registered Member #477 Joined: Tue Jun 20 2006, 11:51PM
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GeordieBoy wrote ...

As you said, it would need a good cap and RSG for that voltage!
I may have *implied* that, but I didn't *say* that wink Actually, this voltage calls into question some basic assumptions about gaps. It may be, for example, that static gap viability is restored at this voltage due to the drastically reduced peak currents. However the gap would require careful design to provide for consistent firing voltage, I expect. Or perhaps Terry's SISG is an option.

Consider that, at this voltage, a 120 bps break rate can provide for 5kVA with only a 30nF primary cap. Assuming a coil frequency of 50kHz, peak primary current would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 350A. That's "nothing". With the SISG option, I could probably use IGBTs far slower and lower-current than what Terry originally designed around. Especially if I consider that the SISG loves break rates above 120 bps, in which case I might correspondingly lower the primary capacitace and increase inductance, thereby further decreasing the peak current and slowing its rise. At this point, the other SISG parts (outside of the IGBTs) would probably dominate the total cost, but with how many I'd need, I might start hitting some price breaks wink

Cheers,
Aaron, N7OE
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rp181
Mon Jun 02 2008, 05:24PM
rp181 Registered Member #1062 Joined: Tue Oct 16 2007, 02:01AM
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thats amazing, on the green box near my house, the sticker is blank =(
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J. Aaron Holmes
Mon Jun 02 2008, 06:03PM
J. Aaron Holmes Registered Member #477 Joined: Tue Jun 20 2006, 11:51PM
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rp181 wrote ...

thats amazing, on the green box near my house, the sticker is blank =(
If it's a sticker, it probably isn't the nameplate. The nameplates are usually little aluminum placards that are riveted or welded onto the back of the transformer, or onto the mounting brackets (common on pole pigs).

Cheers,
Aaron, N7OE
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sparky99
Wed Jun 04 2008, 04:50PM
sparky99 Registered Member #1159 Joined: Fri Dec 07 2007, 02:10AM
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Holy crap, Batman.....that's one helluva pig suprised . I've bee watching those on ePay for a while now. I just don't have the room for something that big. Too bad, cause It's not that long a drive for me. Have fun with that monster & be sure to post pics when you get it fired up.

73,
sparky 99
bob arenella
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J. Aaron Holmes
Wed Jun 04 2008, 09:59PM
J. Aaron Holmes Registered Member #477 Joined: Tue Jun 20 2006, 11:51PM
Location: Seattle, WA
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Up until recently, I could get pigs locally for very cheap. I'd never imagined shipping one, much less an unusually heavy one and from all the way across the coutry! But the specs on this sucker were too unusual to pass up.

Although I'd normally recommend folks talk to D.C. Cox if they want a pole pig (14.4kV 10kVA units for $125-$150 and he even ships for free to some places), I think this Belyea Power operation might prove to be a good source too, especially for folks nearby (not me!). They've parted with a few units over the last several months, all either unusually large or unusually high-voltage, and all very inexpensive. Even brand new, as in my case. Keep an eye on them!

Cheers,
Aaron, N7OE
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