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ea6b607
Wed Jun 04 2008, 01:27AM
ea6b607 Registered Member #1320 Joined: Sat Feb 16 2008, 01:31AM
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well assuming thats the common aluminum oxide ceramic then the melting point is about 2000C
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Mates
Wed Jun 04 2008, 09:35AM
Mates Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
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Spedy wrote ...

I just realized something: couldn't just a plain electrical arc do the same thing? how does the salt water help? It seems like a bit much for an electrical torch..
Electrical arc is as a torch very impractical and in fact is good only for melting the ends of the electrodes… What I’m trying to achieve is a kind of very hot burner for melting glass and other stuff. The salt water is in fact fuel for the torch. Without that you would get only the electric arc but no flame…


hydraliskdragon wrote ...

What is a motor foil cap since I never heard of it.
Also, is it possible to use a MOC to replace the 3.3uF 270V AC capacitors? Would it run on 120V AC?
And last question, could a diode from a MOC be used to replace both diode?

Motor foil cap is normal PP rolled capacitor which has relatively high capacitance and 400V AC ratings. I’m using the name motor foil cap to help you find these caps on the market (there are used for asynchronous motors in washing machines for example).

MOC can be used instead of the filter cap – there should be no problem, but it’s a kind of overkill

MOC diodes are not usable for this concept… They do not have enough AMPs ratting. Use a common bridge rectifier connected as two single diodes instead…

ea6b607 wrote ...

well assuming thats the common aluminum oxide ceramic then the melting point is about 2000C

That’ less than I thought, however enough to melt a lot of things ;) I'll try to get better ceramic...
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uzzors2k
Wed Jun 04 2008, 12:10PM
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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Nifty little contraption Mates.

hydraliskdragon wrote ...

Also, is it possible to use a MOC to replace the 3.3uF 270V AC capacitors?

The 3.3µF capacitor will only act as a 1k resistor since it's placed directly across the mains line. There's no point in including one AFAIK.
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GeordieBoy
Wed Jun 04 2008, 12:13PM
GeordieBoy Registered Member #1232 Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
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It's probably there to limit the amount of high-frequency crap that gets put back onto the mains line by the arcing.
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Mates
Wed Jun 04 2008, 02:27PM
Mates Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
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Uzzors wrote ...

Nifty little contraption Mates.

hydraliskdragon wrote ...

Also, is it possible to use a MOC to replace the 3.3uF 270V AC capacitors?

The 3.3µF capacitor will only act as a 1k resistor since it's placed directly across the mains line. There's no point in including one AFAIK.

Yes. that's good point. I forgot about the internal resistor...
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Spedy
Wed Jun 04 2008, 05:30PM
Spedy Registered Member #964 Joined: Wed Aug 22 2007, 12:39AM
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OK, I think I get it now... It's like the salt water is a fuel source that needs a "wick" to burn, and the electricity is the "wick." I get it now..
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Conundrum
Sat Jun 21 2008, 02:57PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Interesting, this is a bit like those burners which use electrolysis and a cleverly designed nozzle to burn hydrogen and oxygen to produce a hot flame.

-A
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