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Is this pump good for vacuum tubes?

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Arcstarter
Sun Jun 01 2008, 03:19AM Print
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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I found this vacuum pump and i was wondering if y=it would go down to 10 microns? I have seen someone use a vacuum pump made for refrigeration service that went to 10 microns and made his own tube and fixed a tube he broke.

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I would like to make my own vacuum tubes and experiment with them and maybe make a lower voltage vttc with homemade vacuum tubes.
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Turkey9
Sun Jun 01 2008, 05:22AM
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no, it won't. You need something along the lines of a two stage rotary vane pump. They can be found on ebay for less than 100 bucks. I have one from ebay that can go down to 5 microns that I got for $125. Just search for vacuum pump.
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Experimentonomen
Sun Jun 01 2008, 08:03AM
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You need a two stage rotary vane vacuum pump and either a diffusion pump or a turbomolecular pump to get down to a vacuum suitable for vacuum tubes.
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Proud Mary
Sun Jun 01 2008, 09:43AM
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I read an article, some years ago, by a school science teacher, who had successfully tweaked up a rotary pump sufficient to use it for demonstrating thermionic emission in simple diodes and triodes, but can not now recall the details.

Some applications - such as cold cathode X-ray tubes - actually require that the vacuum be slightly 'soft,' so hardness in a vacuum is not the be all and end all of the amateur scientist.
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Arcstarter
Sun Jun 01 2008, 05:37PM
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Great! I have my answer! I suppose i will put off the idea of making my own vacuum tubes will have to be put off until i get a job. .....Or someone makes a generous donation tongue Kidding of course...THoguh i think i have said that before...Hmmm.
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Liam
Sun Jun 01 2008, 07:11PM
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I've had a good deal of luck with Robinair pumps. If you take off the fitting on top, it presents a standard o-ring boss seal. I've measured it down to 10 microns, and may be able to go a bit lower if you heat everything.
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Arcstarter
Sun Jun 01 2008, 08:52PM
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Liam wrote ...

I've had a good deal of luck with Robinair pumps. If you take off the fitting on top, it presents a standard o-ring boss seal. I've measured it down to 10 microns, and may be able to go a bit lower if you heat everything.
Well at some point i will get one. But that is when i have enough money and i still need to make equipment and i need to learn glassblowing. My first versions will probably be built into a mason jar. The guy on that site had a tube he made and he used a mason jar as low as 10 microns and it did not blow up(implode).
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teslacoolguy
Sun Jun 01 2008, 10:14PM
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I have seen vacuum pumps made from old refridgerator compressors.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sun Jun 01 2008, 11:04PM
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I was getting into the same things before I started working (aerospace) and had the time.

I think the hardest part is knowing the glassblowing because it requires so much practice. But the vacuum stuff is a real expensive hobby. Along with the 2-stage and diff or turbo (turbo requires a special controller), you will need a cryo-trap(~ $600), various poppet valves, Getter metal to trap gasses, Ion gauges or a Magnetron gauge, electrode wire, and electronic glass (which is kinda hard to find now that nobody really makes tubes on a big scale)
and sometimes pure gum rubber hose which can be very expensive stuff.

I just got a pump rebuilt, cost $500 and was a big dent in my savings, but that's vacuum, just one of those expensive hobbies.
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Experimentonomen
Mon Jun 02 2008, 03:14PM
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I happen to have a turbopump laying around, however the driver got left in the mass spectrometer the pump was removed from :(
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