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Michael W.
Fri Mar 17 2006, 08:05PM Print
Michael W. Registered Member #50 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:07AM
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In this circuit, are the two HV taps technically connected and together they arc to ground? or do they arc to each other? (+ ---> +) Link2
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HV Enthusiast
Fri Mar 17 2006, 08:35PM
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Depends on how the primary windings are phased. You haven't indicated (with dots) the phasing of the primary and/or secondary windings.
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Sam
Fri Mar 17 2006, 09:11PM
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sorry for the double post, please delete MODS.
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Sam
Fri Mar 17 2006, 09:11PM
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I built this one and talked to the guy who designed it, You draw the arc of the caps but completely leaving out the ground or the frame of the MOTs themselves. use a good 10 amp or 5 amp ballast when drawing arcs, and try to match the MO caps as well as possible
I made this one really Link2

Yes the primaries are opposite phase.
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Michael W.
Fri Mar 17 2006, 09:16PM
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I'm not really sure if I want to use this power supply in fear of violently exploding a breaker or something when the MOT's go to pull 40 A (exaduration) from the wall...
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Marko
Fri Mar 17 2006, 09:22PM
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With two really powerful mots you can expect some 20A for 120V supply, when output is shorted (you draw arcs). Unloaded they will pass only a little of current.
With good fuse I dont see problem there.

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Nik
Fri Mar 17 2006, 09:49PM
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If you have them mots with shorted secondaries make a good ballast. Even with 1 mot ballast my stak will pull 23amps from 120. With no ballast my mots will pull over 30amps (for about a second) before tripping the breaker. A ballast is a must if you are going to use them for tesla coils.
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Michael W.
Fri Mar 17 2006, 10:09PM
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So to make an MOT into a ballast I...
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Fri Mar 17 2006, 10:23PM
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I just wanted to point something out about the first circuit using 2 MO caps in series as part of the rectification circuit. That is that there may be some really NASTY even LETHAL potentials on the can of the first cap in the string. Because the can itself is ground lifted for the higher potentials, a charge can build up on the can. I had a nasty experience with this a couple of times, which gave me quite a shock from the can which I thought had enough isolation, but I was very wrong about this.

Okay, so whats the point?

Well, when you have the two strung in series its no big deal right? Well, not necessarily if you put BOTH hots NEXT to each other! This I think is a serious fault of the implementation. I would not have both cans so close to each other. I would separate them by an inch!
I think its waiting for one of those Sectacular Failures.

I just wanted to say be careful.
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Michael W.
Fri Mar 17 2006, 10:27PM
Michael W. Registered Member #50 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:07AM
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haha thanks, mine are about 5 inches apart...As for the ballast will one be sufficient or one for each MOT?
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