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Solidacid
Wed May 28 2008, 05:19PM Print
Solidacid Registered Member #1430 Joined: Sun Apr 06 2008, 11:12AM
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i just built a simple low voltage cockroft walton mutiplier and it's not working. im feeding it 7,8 volts AC. im using 2,2nF/100v capacitors and 1kv diodes. i did check the diodes and they are all the right way. im not getting ANY output.
im using 4 diodes and 4 capacitors like in this photo: Cockcroft Walton Voltage Multiplier

any ideas what im might be doing wrong?
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Electroholic
Wed May 28 2008, 06:30PM
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AC as in 50/60hz? with 2.2nf stage?
need bigger caps/ higher freq
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teslacoolguy
Wed May 28 2008, 07:18PM
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you are going to need to use caps in the uf range for it to work for 60 hz. In fact in atx psu's when you have it set for 120v operation in order to get the same voltage as 240v would be rectified they use a one stage cw multiplier and and those are the 2 big caps that is known to give you a nasty shock.
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Solidacid
Wed May 28 2008, 09:01PM
Solidacid Registered Member #1430 Joined: Sun Apr 06 2008, 11:12AM
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thanks for the feedback smile

can you tell me what size caps would i need for this circuit?: Coildrv
how do i calculate the required capacitance for it to work?
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Nik
Wed May 28 2008, 09:38PM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
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When you get it sorted out you should also put a high resistance high wattage resistor on your output to limit the current.
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Shaun
Wed May 28 2008, 10:28PM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
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You can calculate the maximum power power output based on capacitance, frequency, and input voltage. I dont know the equation off the top of my head, but im sure wikipedia or google will have it.

At only 7,8 Volts you could use some large electrolytic capacitors, think in the thousands of microfarads. Thats really not much at at all in terms of size, i have 16V 2200uF capacitors that are the size of an AA battery.
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dingo27
Wed May 28 2008, 11:30PM
dingo27 Registered Member #890 Joined: Tue Jul 10 2007, 10:06PM
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well i done several CW so i hope i give you some advice :

better capacitance, the more current you can drive from it

the more stages, the longer needs to be charde all stages ( it is like when you have 100 HZ and 10 stages, you will be able to only draw max. when 10HZ, co better the freq. the better the result

caps can be any, but i was doing best with electrolythis, i also tried with foil 10n and it worked (but high frequency was used)

and you should get multimeter and try find 2 spots where the biggest woltage is - i think that from schematics it will be between upper right and down left spot.

smile
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Weston
Thu May 29 2008, 02:12AM
Weston Registered Member #1316 Joined: Thu Feb 14 2008, 03:35AM
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if you want 6 amp output that means you will need about 12 amps input.
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Solidacid
Thu May 29 2008, 07:10AM
Solidacid Registered Member #1430 Joined: Sun Apr 06 2008, 11:12AM
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im using this circuit:

1212045022 1430 FT46076 Coildrv
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quicksilver
Thu May 29 2008, 02:39PM
quicksilver Registered Member #1408 Joined: Fri Mar 21 2008, 03:49PM
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Solidacid wrote ...

i just built a simple low voltage cockroft walton mutiplier and it's not working. im feeding it 7,8 volts AC. im using 2,2nF/100v capacitors and 1kv diodes. i did check the diodes and they are all the right way. im not getting ANY output.
im using 4 diodes and 4 capacitors like in this photo.....

any ideas what im might be doing wrong?



PERSONAL NOTE: Here is a great example of self study.....I had a very large amount of caps and was going to build this and that and they turned out to be the wrong caps (just like you). In my case when it was pointed out that the caps were wrong and that I could not get (let's say a MOT CAP or just substitute the wrong component) to do the job of another --- I studied what I could do with the stuff I had. You see, it's often not so much what you are DOING wrong but knowing what the materials are capable of doing!
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