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Experiments with piezos

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stop4stuff
Fri Mar 24 2006, 07:18AM
stop4stuff Registered Member #64 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:25AM
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Sulaiman said:
Since they're so cheap,
get a plastic pipe about 6 feet long, diameter for one piezo-rod,
fill it with 120 piezo elements with electrodes at each end
strike the ground with the bottom
hundreds of kV at the top end

'Magic Staff Of Lightning'

no idea how you avoid 'zaping' yourself though


HV pogo stick amazed

Omicron, continental european countries tend to use a comma instead of a decimal point, so 3,000 euros is really 3.000 euros
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vasil
Fri Mar 24 2006, 08:44AM
vasil Registered Member #229 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 07:33PM
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I could collect some piezos from old cigarrete ignitors....
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Omicron
Fri Mar 24 2006, 05:03PM
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Ok thanks, I am going to order some. Do they ship all over the world? mistrust
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Madgyver
Fri Mar 24 2006, 09:04PM
Madgyver Registered Member #177 Joined: Wed Feb 15 2006, 02:16PM
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Well, as long as there is someone how can deliver it there I guess. They say that they ship to Non-Europen countries and will strip the 16% taxes off.
Write them an email, for details in english.
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Omicron
Fri Mar 24 2006, 09:36PM
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They are in packages of 10 right? So if I put in 25 I will get 250 crystals?
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Madgyver
Fri Mar 24 2006, 10:55PM
Madgyver Registered Member #177 Joined: Wed Feb 15 2006, 02:16PM
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exactly
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GODSFUSION
Sat Mar 25 2006, 10:19AM
GODSFUSION Registered Member #157 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 08:00PM
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Omicron wrote ...

You said they were 10 cents a package! I put 20 packages in and got a price of 3,000 earos! thats about 3,200 USD!


im a little unsure why, but a lot of countries use the "," symbol in place of ".". So it might be that...

- Wayne -
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Omicron
Sat Mar 25 2006, 02:07PM
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Mike wrote ...

Dunno, use world.altavista.com to translate the page from German to English

I traslated most of the website but It still is A little cloudy to read. confused
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Madgyver
Wed Mar 29 2006, 04:56PM
Madgyver Registered Member #177 Joined: Wed Feb 15 2006, 02:16PM
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I managed to attach the piezos to a small bargraph driver:

Link2 (around 1,3MB)

the vid is vcrappy, but I don't hava a integrator here, so one can only see the spikes, which are to fast for my camera to catch/I can't time that correctly.
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DrZoidberg
Fri Mar 31 2006, 07:05PM
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They are only rated for 1.2kV despite of their size.
But thats no problem. If you mechanically deform the piezo to the same extend it gets deformed when 1.2kV are applied then the output voltage will be much higher then 1.2kV. That is unless I didn't understand the basic working principle of piezos correctly.
I think a piezo of that size should be able to output several tens of kV easily.

You could build a piezo tesla coil that uses these crystals instead of coils.
For that you connect several crystals together to form a rod. Put it in some frame to apply pressure to the rod.
Then connect a 1kV AC source to the first of the crystals and if you run it at the resonant frequency the other crystals should output more then 100kV.
I think I will get myself some of those piezos to try that.

Try this experiment:
Take 2 crystals. Put a piece of aluminum foil in between and one piece at each end. Then put a thick sheet of plastic at each end and squeeze that sandwich in a vice. Connect an ac source with variable frequency to one crystal. You can keep the voltage low here. A few volt are sufficient. Measure the voltage at the second crystal at different frequencies. e.g. 104kHz or 52kHz
If you get significantly more out then you put in that proofs a piezo TC could indeed be build.
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