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teslacoolguy
Fri Mar 28 2008, 03:38AM Print
teslacoolguy Registered Member #1107 Joined: Thu Nov 08 2007, 10:09PM
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i rigged my simple 555 mosfet driver up for audio modulation using pin 5 on the 555 and i am having problems with it heating up very fast. I tried it with a irfp250 mosfet rated 30 amps 200 volts and i am barely drawing 3 amps at 12v and it is still heating up like crazy. I am thinking it might have something to do with the modulation because it dident do that when i ran it without audio modulation. My question is there a special kind of mosfet to use or transistor or do i just get a mosfet that is rated for like 70 amps on a big heatsink.
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coldcity
Fri Mar 28 2008, 01:15PM
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Do you have a snubber on the LV side to prevent back EMF? I've noticed with my ignition coil driver that the amount of back EMF I get is dependant on the frequency I'm driving the coil at, so perhaps the audio contains frequencies your flyback doesn't like?

A disposable camera neon indicator in series with a 4K7 across the LV side of your coil is a useful warning that you're getting too much back EMF. In my case I was able to solve this with a .22uF 440V cap across the coil, and this seems to work even with audio modulation. The MOSFET I'm using is a 2SK899, ripped from a modular power supply.

Also - from what source are you feeding the audio? Have you tried a smallish electrolytic cap in series between the audio source and pin 5 of the 555, negative side facing the 555?
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teslacoolguy
Fri Mar 28 2008, 04:29PM
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ok this is strainge. Now it is not audio modding at all no matter what i do to it. and yes i am using the pin 5 config
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Arcstarter
Sat Mar 29 2008, 01:36AM
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The positive side of the audio source goes to pin 5.
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teslacoolguy
Mon Mar 31 2008, 03:55AM
teslacoolguy Registered Member #1107 Joined: Thu Nov 08 2007, 10:09PM
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yea that's what i have it connected to and it just wont work
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Mar 31 2008, 07:37PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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teslacoolguy wrote ...

yea that's what i have it connected to and it just wont work
sorry but you need to provide more info. The only thing I can say is that one of your components is dead/damaged.


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teslacoolguy
Mon Mar 31 2008, 08:31PM
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Ok the driver still works without a problem except when i decided to audio modulate it it worked but then stopped and i cant get it to audio modulate any more and now it is drawing alot more current then it used to. Also this is the flyback driver i am using Link2
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Mar 31 2008, 08:39PM
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teslacoolguy wrote ...

Also this is the flyback driver i am using Link2
You can trash the 2N2222 amplifier and connect the 555 output through 10ohm resistor directly to the base; the 555 can provide enough current to drive the MOSFET.

If it is drawing a lot of current then indeed one or more of your components are dead. Try to change the 555 then the MOSFET. Does it run fine without any modulation? I guess not.

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teslacoolguy
Mon Mar 31 2008, 11:15PM
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It runs without the modulation but like i said it is drawing alot more current than it used to.
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Avi
Tue Apr 01 2008, 01:51PM
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Just as a side note, i have best results if you use a 10nf capacitor between the audio source and pin 5. I don't know if this relates to the heating.
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