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Self Defenestrate
Mon Mar 13 2006, 11:55PM Print
Self Defenestrate Registered Member #87 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 01:36PM
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Most have deemed spark gaps under 5kv unreliable and dificult to make/tune. How might I go about making a spark gap for 1kv? I'm figuring tungsten for the faces, so it dosen't clog, but what improvements could be made?
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GimpyJoe
Tue Mar 14 2006, 12:05AM
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Maybe SIDAC's? Or a triggered spark gap? Otherwise I really doubt you could get a 1kv gap to fire at all.
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HV Enthusiast
Tue Mar 14 2006, 12:16AM
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You will not get a spark gap to work reliably under 1kV in air.

Why not use a solid state type switch. Devices are easily obtainable for 1kV and are much more reliable and easier to make.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Tue Mar 14 2006, 12:18AM
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Terry Fritz was using a distance of 4mils (.004") for a 600V gap. between 2 copper 3/4" pipe pieces. Now if his figures are right for breakdown, I found that if you space the two out to 6mils you could get 1KV breakdown.
Now I don't know how accurate this is because I haven't looked at the charge density and breakdown of this just yet, but if you have a HiPot tester or the like, you could find this out to be true/false rather quickly.
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Tue Mar 14 2006, 12:18AM
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You might look into getting some of the little devices that are sometimes seen across a power input or whatever. Not the mov ones, but the pieces of ceramic (these... Even if you don't use them, their construction might give you some clues on good low voltage spark gap design.

Could you use a string of neon bulbs or something work? What is the power level of the coil you are running at?
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Part Scavenger
Tue Mar 14 2006, 03:26AM
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What would be wrong with a roto-gap?
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GimpyJoe
Tue Mar 14 2006, 03:37AM
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Maybe a rotary gap would work, but the tolerances would have to be incredibly close.
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Self Defenestrate
Tue Mar 14 2006, 02:28PM
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Hmm, rotary sounds interesting. I don't want to go solid state, and those gas arester tubes look like they would heat up pretty quick. It's 1kv 30ma. How would I go about finding the proper speed/bps?
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Part Scavenger
Tue Mar 14 2006, 03:45PM
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You make the roto-gap speed variable cheesey

Naw, IIRC, you use
I=C(V/t)

I is in amps,C in farads,t in seconds.

C is the capacitor bank I assume you're filling. Solve for "t" to find the period, and invert (divide 1 by the number you get) to find the frequency in Hz.

Then, to find the rpm of the motor, you take the frequency and multiply by 60. This will give you beats per minute which will be the RPM of the rotor with one electrode. Divide this number by the number of electodes on the rotor and you will get the needed RPM.

Or, if you need the whatever to run at a certain frequency, work backwards to find the needed capacitance.
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GimpyJoe
Tue Mar 14 2006, 03:52PM
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It might be easier if you used DC resonant charging. Then you could make the gap for 2kv instead of 1kv.
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