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Alexandre
Fri Feb 15 2008, 07:22PM Print
Alexandre Registered Member #1228 Joined: Tue Jan 15 2008, 01:08AM
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What is the best type of material to be used for isolation of the secondary coil?
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Ultra7
Fri Feb 15 2008, 08:24PM
Ultra7 Registered Member #1157 Joined: Thu Dec 06 2007, 12:11PM
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What does that mean?
Like to coat it with?
To wrap it on?
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Alexandre
Fri Feb 15 2008, 08:55PM
Alexandre Registered Member #1228 Joined: Tue Jan 15 2008, 01:08AM
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I know what material that can be used to wrap it ,.... I can use? mistrust
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CT2
Fri Feb 15 2008, 10:10PM
CT2 Registered Member #180 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 02:12AM
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Your question wasn't very descriptive. I'm not sure what you meant either. Are you talking about coating the wire with say epoxy or varnish or something? Or do you mean to stop flash over between primary and secondary? A little more information on what you want will help.
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MRacerxdl
Sat Feb 16 2008, 01:08AM
MRacerxdl Registered Member #989 Joined: Sat Sept 08 2007, 02:15AM
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I think he wants to know what type of varnish or something that he can pass it on the secondary coil.
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Alexandre
Sat Feb 16 2008, 01:29AM
Alexandre Registered Member #1228 Joined: Tue Jan 15 2008, 01:08AM
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Therefore varnish that can be used in secondary coil?
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Andrew H
Sat Feb 16 2008, 06:08AM
Andrew H Registered Member #1198 Joined: Sat Dec 29 2007, 05:39AM
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I used Minwawx Polycrylic spray on varnish. I used about half a spray can to put three coats on a 4.5"x18" secondary. Since it is a fast drying spray I didn't have to rig anything to turn the coil to avoid drips.] and I could re-coat in 30 minutes. One other nice feature is that the varnish is water-based so there are less VOCs and cleanup is easy.
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Sulaiman
Sat Feb 16 2008, 07:53AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Almost any varnish, lacquer, paint will be ok, except for metallic or carbon paints.
I like to use polyurethane varnish.
Yacht varnish, floor varnish, wood varnish etc.
The coating has three main purposes;
1) To fix the wire in place. No matter how tightly you wind your secondary, the windings will eventually slip.
2) Physical protection against knocks and bumps.
3) Cosmetic. A heavily varnished coil looks good (to me).

Typically there will be only a few hundred volts peak between one turn and the next,
so the coating is not for inter-turn insulation.
Typically there will be 100 kV between the coil winding and earth,
and a thin layer of insulating material will not insulate such a high voltage.
So the coating (lacquer, paint, epoxy resin etc.) is NOT for insulation !

I try to avoid aerosol cans so I use liquid varnish.
This needs either many thin layers (slow/boring/tedious),
or a few thick layers - which requires some way of rotating the coil whilst the lacquer hardens for a smooth finish.
So build a small rig for rotating the coil (by hand or motor) for winding and coating the coil.
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Tom540
Sat Feb 16 2008, 06:23PM
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Ive used many different kinds.

The water based kind looked very nice with a lot of coats and it does dry faster but after about 2 years the coil had cracks all over it it and the varnish turned yellow in some spots.

The regular spray or paint on types are good but you'll have to wait awhile to re coat.

I use glaze coat now epoxy for furniture. It takes longer to dry and it might need to be rotated but you will get the strongest and best looking secondary with it. You can even clean it with alcohol or acetone without messing it up.

Basically the cheap fast ways are just that. Cheap and fast but wont last as long.
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Sulaiman
Sat Feb 16 2008, 10:42PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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My coil that I coated in polyurethane varnish (solvent-based) has lasted over 10 years with no cracks etc.
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