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Mates
Sun Jan 27 2008, 09:42PM Print
Mates Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
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Hi guys,
After I find out principle of modern Fly-back transformer I realized I could have very good use for my collection of these small monsters.

I’d like to start new project and I’d like to get some feedback before.

Here is the idea:
I plan to connect secondary of 5 (or even more) fly-backs in series and make source of very high DC voltage. The primaries will be all triggered by single switch device (IGBT transistor) driven by TL494 oscillating at 20 KHz. I’m enclosing the scheme of the circuit. For single fly-back this simple circuit works very well Link2

Any hints and comments are welcomed…

Useful link (thanks to c4r0) Link2



1201469970 1025 FT0 Sg100882

1201469970 1025 FT0 Scheme
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Kizmo
Sun Jan 27 2008, 10:39PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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I have done this with 2 flybacks (look @ my avatar) smile


IMO it is possible to put 3 or 4 flyback xfmrs in series but you will face problems with secondary-core-primary insulation
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Mates
Sun Jan 27 2008, 10:51PM
Mates Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
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Kizmo wrote ...

IMO it is possible to put 3 or 4 flyback xfmrs in series but you will face problems with secondary-core-primary insulation

I think my design is different from yours because I'm always using the internal primary. I also plan to dipp the whole string of fly-backs in oil bath. However, I still do not understand the insulation problems warning. Each fly-back in the string should face more or less the same voltage stress like when is operated alone. Or am I wrong?
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Experimentonomen
Sun Jan 27 2008, 10:54PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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Just try it.
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Bender
Sun Jan 27 2008, 11:05PM
Bender Registered Member #1027 Joined: Tue Sept 25 2007, 01:44PM
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Mates wrote ...

Kizmo wrote ...

IMO it is possible to put 3 or 4 flyback xfmrs in series but you will face problems with secondary-core-primary insulation

I think my design is different from yours because I'm always using the internal primary. I also plan to dipp the whole string of fly-backs in oil bath. However, I still do not understand the insulation problems warning. Each fly-back in the string should face more or less the same voltage stress like when is operated alone. Or am I wrong?
Think about potential differences.. every primary will be ~same potential but secondaries will float way higher than usually when another HV lead is grounded.
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Mates
Sun Jan 27 2008, 11:28PM
Mates Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
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Bender wrote ...

[Think about potential differences.. every primary will be ~same potential but secondaries will float way higher than usually when another HV lead is grounded.

Shit, now I see it... Would it be a solution to run the whole driving circuit from a battery followed by inverter? (I have one 1500W computer back-up at home)
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Jan 28 2008, 08:46AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Mates wrote ...

Bender wrote ...

[Think about potential differences.. every primary will be ~same potential but secondaries will float way higher than usually when another HV lead is grounded.

Shit, now I see it... Would it be a solution to run the whole driving circuit from a battery followed by inverter? (I have one 1500W computer back-up at home)
If you can find 4 inverters that have several tens of kV allowed isolation voltage... I think you can't.



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Mates
Mon Jan 28 2008, 10:09AM
Mates Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
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jmartis wrote ...


If you can find 4 inverters that have several tens of kV allowed isolation voltage... I think you can't.


I think you do not understand the point. Running the whole stuff from a battery should avoid the attraction of the very HV of the upper secondaries to the primaries, because the primaries are not grounded. There should be no need for super-isolated inverter (and BTW: why four, one is enough to make AC from 24VDC and followed by transformer can easily drive the whole circuit).

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Steve Conner
Mon Jan 28 2008, 10:45AM
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The only way round it is to run each stage from its own battery, and switch them on by prodding with a long insulated stick wink
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Mates
Mon Jan 28 2008, 11:37AM
Mates Registered Member #1025 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 07:53PM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

The only way round it is to run each stage from its own battery, and switch them on by prodding with a long insulated stick wink

Ok, finally I see the problem... Thanks guys...
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