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CompWiz
Sat Jan 12 2008, 02:32AM Print
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I want to build a Marx gen after I fix my ZVS driver to power it with
(it's still in pieces after i was using for inducting heating).


But I don't know what kind of capacitors to get or where to get them.

I think I'm gonna make it like mike's Quick and Dirty Marx and I'm looking for any tips you guys might have...
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Tonskulus
Tue Jan 15 2008, 05:25PM
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Just get some cheapest possible small ceramic disk capacitors, like 1nF/10kV..more or less depending on your needs. And some HV resistors ofcourse, 1..5Mohms should be ok (you can also use smaller resistors in series to get enough voltagerating).

My previous 10 stage marxgenerator was using 1nF/15kV ceramic capacitors and 2Mohm resistors.
Sparklength was about 25-30cm. As a powersupply, I used NE555/single mosfet circuit and AC flyback/voltage tripler (cascade from TV) combination.

ZVS-flyback is just fine for marx anyway.
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Shaun
Tue Jan 15 2008, 06:47PM
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I want to emphasize the fact that you need to have adequate voltage-rated resistors. I have had many large 2 Watt 1Mohm resistors die in a ZVS-powered marx configuration. They all died open-circuit.

I assumed that their large physical size and high power rating meant they could take higher voltage without flashing over. Although they didn't flash over, I now use at least 3 in series, or some real HV resistors (the tiger stripe kind)
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CompWiz
Tue Jan 15 2008, 08:49PM
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I found some 15kv cap on Mouser:
Link2

but I couldn't find hv resisters

the best i found were these 1M 2W:
Link2

Should I get 500k resisters and put them in series instead?
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Shaun
Tue Jan 15 2008, 09:59PM
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Those resistors are exactly the same type that failed for me. They may work, but not reliably.

I would try these:
Link2
They cost a little more, but you get 24 of them. They are only 620K, which will probably work on its own. If not 2 series will do it.

As for capacitors, those will be fine but you may want to check Ebay for them too, as you can usually find groups of them on the cheap.
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CompWiz
Tue Jan 15 2008, 10:08PM
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I think I'm gonna use 2 of these is series: Link2

I don't think i will be able to get stuff off eBay

isn't there a way to make your own hv resistors?

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Shaun
Tue Jan 15 2008, 11:34PM
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Okay, but they are only rated to 500V each.

Since resistors are such a pain, you may want to consider trying an inductively charged marx generator. The operating principle it the same, but you replace the resistors with homemade inductors, which IIRC are about a hundred turns of thin magnet wire on something the size of a drinking straw. I can't find an example, but I'm pretty sure someone here has built one. Maybe they will chime in?

You can get VERY fast rep rates with inductive chargers, due to their very low DC resistance.
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CompWiz
Wed Jan 16 2008, 12:29AM
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If the resisters burn that is what I will try.

someone did that here: Link2
he wrapped the wire around the resisters!

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CT2
Wed Jan 16 2008, 01:39AM
CT2 Registered Member #180 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 02:12AM
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If you were to wind the wire over a resistor I'm going to bet you won't be able to add enough turns to get a high enough inductance. It's kind of like shorting the resistor out, unless you can squeez enough turns onto it.
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Shaun
Wed Jan 16 2008, 02:19AM
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He even says on his site that the inductance is too small!
If I were gonna do this, I would probably use sections of half-inch PVC or smaller.
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