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Jacob's Ladder: Does electrode diameter make any difference?

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Quantum Singularity
Fri Mar 10 2006, 06:50AM Print
Quantum Singularity Registered Member #158 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 09:53PM
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A long time ago I utilized my big transformer (the only time so far) for a big Jacob's Ladder. I just threw it together quick, with two 4' long 1" diamter copper pipes. I never got any pictures. I hope to setup the project again and I was wondering if the diameter of the pipe really has much effect on how far the thing will arc or not. it needs to be large enough to atleast dissapate the heat without melting so the commonly available small brass rods are probably out of the question. But would 1/2" or 3/4" make any difference? I got prety awsome results before but it didnt span quite as wide a gap as I thought it might.I dont plan on running it much, maybe like 20-30 seconds at a time. Max power will probably be around 10-20kW depending on how much I want to push it. shades
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Dr. Shark
Fri Mar 10 2006, 08:32AM
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I expect it to matter very little, since you are not concerned about initiating the arc here, but only to keep it hot.
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Quantum Singularity
Sun Mar 12 2006, 04:49AM
Quantum Singularity Registered Member #158 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 09:53PM
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So then, there shouldnt really be any problem using 1/2", 3/4", or 1" copper pipe on a large scale jacob's ladder? Its easy to get in 4' lengths and cheap.
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vasil
Sun Mar 12 2006, 07:41AM
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If you use too small diameter electrodes, it is possible that they heat and deformate (outwards often), so it is possible that the JL not be able to arc, or the arc will not climb to the top. The electrodes diameter has to be adapted to the currents you are using (larger is even better)
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vasil
Sun Mar 12 2006, 07:47AM
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If you use too small diameter electrodes, it is possible that they heat and deformate (outwards often), so it is possible that the JL not be able to arc, or the arc will not climb to the top. The electrodes diameter has to be adapted to the currents you are using (larger is even better)
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HV Enthusiast
Sun Mar 12 2006, 01:19PM
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Larger diameter tubing will be more difficult to form and bend to get the right shape to initiate arcs properly.
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Quantum Singularity
Mon Mar 13 2006, 01:40AM
Quantum Singularity Registered Member #158 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 09:53PM
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Ahh, I C. How big of difference does the shape make on its efficiency? I orignaly had them in just a V (straight pieces) and didnt have any problems. It spanned somewheres around a little less than a foot across at the top but the actual arc lenght was much longer - probably around 2 or 2.5 feet. I was planning on just keeping them straight for simplicity.
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Sulaiman
Mon Mar 13 2006, 10:54AM
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Generally speaking, the top of a JL needs to fan out at the top
to help extinguish the arc and allow another to start at the bottom.
The arc colour will be affected by the matal used.
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GimpyJoe
Mon Mar 13 2006, 02:06PM
GimpyJoe Registered Member #316 Joined: Mon Mar 13 2006, 01:30PM
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Maybe you could use 1/2" soft copper refridgeration tubing and form it into the shape you want. Then after you have the bends in place you could flatten the tube a bit with a hammer to make it more rigid.
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Colin 99
Thu Mar 16 2006, 02:20AM
Colin 99 Registered Member #192 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 03:08AM
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I've tried soft refridgeration tubing and it doesn't work too well. It is hard to get it straight enough for the arc travel smoothly upwards. cry

Shaun
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