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Stainless steel toroids?

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Zum Beispiel
Mon Nov 26 2007, 08:08PM Print
Zum Beispiel Registered Member #514 Joined: Sun Feb 11 2007, 12:27AM
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Just a (hopefully) quick question:

How much worse is stainless steel compared to aluminium or copper when used as TC toploads?

Regular iron is "bad" (though not that bad, atleast at lower powers (see my Mark II coil - from 700W to 1kW input)). The main reason, atleast as I understand it, is because regular steel is ferromagnetic. But how about stainless?

The reason I'm asking is, that I could get some large pipe corners made of stainless steel for cheap, and I could use them to make a nice looking topload.

I've been thinking about building a high power SSTC (multi kW) ever since I completed Mark II and need a good topload for it, but I don't want to use one of those kilowatts for making tea (as someone once said). It would be nice to make the topload out of such cheap parts, because "real" spun toroids cost too much! frown

So my question, in short: Is stainless steel much worse than aluminium for this type of application?
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Derek_L
Mon Nov 26 2007, 09:46PM
Derek_L Registered Member #1125 Joined: Fri Nov 16 2007, 09:13PM
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I dont belive so...
The reason its not used is because it is much heavier and much more expensive then Aluminum.

But hey why not do it if you can get it for cheap and post results with with stain steel and with al.

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J. Aaron Holmes
Tue Nov 27 2007, 02:26AM
J. Aaron Holmes Registered Member #477 Joined: Tue Jun 20 2006, 11:51PM
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Steel will work. I haven't made a steel toroid, but I have used a stainless steel sphere (or "near sphere") in the past and it worked fine. I bought two 14" stainless steel mixing bowls from Ikea and welded them together. Total spent: < $20 USD, I think. Welding the thin stainless steel was a bit of a pain, but taping the bowls together with aluminum duct tape would probably work fine too. Best part: It's taken a few severe falls off of coils and shelves and doesn't have a single dent. Very physically robust smile

EDIT: Here's a picture of the ol' "steel bowl" coil in action (actually two pictures): http://silicon-arcana.com/TC1/1_BeforeAndDuring.jpg

Cheers,
Aaron, N7OE
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Tom540
Tue Nov 27 2007, 03:08AM
Tom540 Banned on 3/17/2009.
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J. Aaron Holmes wrote ...

Steel will work. I haven't made a steel toroid, but I have used a stainless steel sphere (or "near sphere") in the past and it worked fine. I bought two 14" stainless steel mixing bowls from Ikea and welded them together. Total spent: < $20 USD, I think. Welding the thin stainless steel was a bit of a pain, but taping the bowls together with aluminum duct tape would probably work fine too. Best part: It's taken a few severe falls off of coils and shelves and doesn't have a single dent. Very physically robust smile




Oh I wanted to buy a welder and do the same thing. How hard is it to weld stainless steel? Is it worth buying a welder for?
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Electroholic
Tue Nov 27 2007, 03:14AM
Electroholic Registered Member #191 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 02:01AM
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Thats some nice welds considering the thickness of the material.
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J. Aaron Holmes
Tue Nov 27 2007, 05:08AM
J. Aaron Holmes Registered Member #477 Joined: Tue Jun 20 2006, 11:51PM
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Tom540 wrote ...

Oh I wanted to buy a welder and do the same thing. How hard is it to weld stainless steel? Is it worth buying a welder for?

For stainless, you really want a TIG setup. So probably not! I used a friend's. My own welder is an old AC arc welder, and it would just make a mess of this stuff. But the old AC arc welders (that you can often get for < $50 on places like Craig's List) are great for all kinds of other stuff (including transformer ballasts!), so they're an important part of any HV-nerd's garage.

Cheers,
Aaron, N7OE
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Tom540
Tue Nov 27 2007, 07:39AM
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Hmm, I've been trying to find an excuse to get one. I guess I'll have to find a few more.
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Derek_L
Tue Nov 27 2007, 02:55PM
Derek_L Registered Member #1125 Joined: Fri Nov 16 2007, 09:13PM
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Yeah I tried the stainless steel weld thing but the welders at my work have only huge units for doing industrial stuff. The guy just went to tack the bowls together and they exploded and warped.
That was on his lowest setting :P

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