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Very fast bidirectional FPGA to microcontroller interface

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Marko
Sun Nov 25 2007, 12:45AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Yes, good point about the BGA, the latest invention to discourage home building :(

But, factory must have a way to solder BGA's, after all?

In reflow oven everything gets solder-melting hot so I don't see why couldn't you simply place and heat up the package until solder melts and fixes?

If you had regulated temperature heater or hot plate I don't see why would that be any worse than industrial process...?

Just pondering...
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Wolfram
Sun Nov 25 2007, 01:30AM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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We solder BGAs at work. It's not too hard, it's all about getting the placement of the chip on the PCB right and using lots of flux. We have a 10k$ BGA soldering station, but all it does is preheat the board, hold the board and heat the whole chip at once. I bet this could be done manually, with a little bit of training. The problem, however, is that BGAs often require 4-layer circuit boards. or more, Since all the connection points of the chip are so close together, routing the board becomes a tedious process. I'm sure it could be done by a hobbyist (if the board was manufactured at a professional place), but it would be an elaborate process.


Anders M.
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Carbon_Rod
Sun Nov 25 2007, 06:16AM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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Not to diverge from the topic too much, wink

Regular BGAs (not the micro flip chips) can be mounted using through-hole plated boards non-filled vias. The solder wicks from the bottom pads, binds to the ball of the taped down chip, and the other non-melted pads keep it centered while it cools.

$10.-

BGAs are a pain, but still needed for some cheap accelerometer sensors.

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Avi
Sun Nov 25 2007, 10:25AM
Avi Registered Member #580 Joined: Mon Mar 12 2007, 03:17PM
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Tom540 wrote ...
Use a Basic Stamp 2.
Last i heard basic stamps are SLOWWWWWWW
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Steve Conner
Sun Nov 25 2007, 10:54AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
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Yes, they are slowwwwww! But they're small, cheap, don't use much power, and BASIC is really easy to program. That makes them very useful for some applications. If you're a mechanical engineer who just wants a simple automation job done, and don't want to get your hands dirty with assembler or C, they are ideal.

Carbon_rod and others: I heard that BGAs can be soldered with hobbyist equipment if you're very careful and very lucky! :P The classic example is reflowing the graphics chip on your XBox 360 or MacBook. I just tried that on an old laptop with an intermittent motherboard fault, and it didn't work :( Link2
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Dr. Slack
Sun Nov 25 2007, 01:36PM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
Location: UK St. Albans
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The Xilinx software is rather like working blindfolded.


Yes, well there is that! The Xilinx environment is wizarded and GUI'd to the point of stupidity. The phrase I used to the FAEs daily while trying to set it up was "like trying to eat spaghetti with chopsticks wearing boxing gloves". The GUIs only end up writing text files anyway, so just document what's going on and let me write the text, damn you, I know what a .ucf looks like! </rant>. Fortunately our softies like that sort of config headache, and now leave me to amuse myself with the VHDL.

Once you've sweated blood over the configuration and it's is stable, you can just write C and VHDL, and it's difficult to argue with CPU and all the glue in one $10 chip.
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