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teslacoolguy
Sun Nov 11 2007, 04:11PM Print
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I had rescently made a 0.1uf cap banks yousing theese capacitors Link2 along with 10mohm 1/4watt bleeders across each cap. well when it was all finished and dipped in oil when i hooked it up to my coil the spark gap wasent firing. Well after messing around with it for a bit i tried the draw an arc method. Turns out to be that the spark across the cap bank looks just like what is coming from my nst. now i should get a nice white pop if the caps were working but the sparks lok like there is a dead short someware but there is not. Any suggestions on why this is doing this or how to fix it because it sure has me scratching my head confused
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Spedy
Sun Nov 11 2007, 06:38PM
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It could all be going through the bleeder resistors. Try larger values on them.
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Electroholic
Sun Nov 11 2007, 07:46PM
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it's not a DC coil is it?
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Sulaiman
Mon Nov 12 2007, 06:24AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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I also suspect the resistors;

1) 15 nF//10 MOhm = 0.15 sec. time constant. (about 2 seconds is a good 'target')

2) common 1/4 watt resistors will short internally with 6.5 kV across them. (many resistors in series?)
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teslacoolguy
Mon Nov 12 2007, 01:14PM
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OK i am going to buy some 10mohm at 1w resistors and see how they work.
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Sulaiman
Mon Nov 12 2007, 10:47PM
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You are better off using as many series resistors as possible
e.g. 3 x 1/4W 3M3 in series is better than one 10M 1W resistor
use as many in series per capacitor as your patience/space allows
OR buy HV resistors.

Note: 6.5 kV across 10 Mohm = 4.225 W

Maybe 5 x 10 Mohm 1/4 W in series per capacitor?
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MOT_man
Mon Nov 19 2007, 03:58AM
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You could just get rid of those bleed resistors all together -I've been using CDE942C series capacitors without resistors on high power coils for years now. Resistors tend to dissipate more than just charge after the circuit is turned off totally...during firing I've noticed that these resistors bleed away a sizable amount of power too.
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teslacoolguy
Mon Nov 19 2007, 09:02PM
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getting rid of the resistors is probably the best solution because the way my setup is it would be a pain to replace them. PS the only reason they are there is so i live longer smile
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