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IamSmooth
Fri Nov 09 2007, 03:43PM Print
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Has anyone here worked extensively with neo's? I need to mount them on a disc that is going to spin at about 600-1000rpm. Is it possible to drill a hole in them for a screw insert or will this shatter them? Does anyone know if they are sold with a hole in the center for mounting on rotors?
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Electroholic
Fri Nov 09 2007, 04:04PM
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any kind of machining will very likely damage/overheat them. they are usually glued down by some sort of adhesive.
I have used loctite speedbonder series on metal/composite parts with great results, and I think it would work well in this application. It was Loctite H8500, great stuff to work with.

edit:
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IamSmooth
Fri Nov 09 2007, 05:15PM
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Is this Loctite the same thing I can get at NAPA Auto or Home Depot, or is this something special? I have this for tightening nuts on some outdoor equipment that I use.
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Electroholic
Fri Nov 09 2007, 07:59PM
Electroholic Registered Member #191 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 02:01AM
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no, you are probably talking about the threadlocks, 222MS or 2440, little red bottles?

the H8500 is a two part system, in caulking style cartridges. We use them by the case. but i think there are small 50ml cartridges.

If you can't get them, potting the rotor is your next best bet. Or even CA glue could work reasonably well if you route a recessed seat for the magnets first to deal with the centrifugal force.

No matter what you use, clean them really well first.

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Avalanche
Fri Nov 09 2007, 08:17PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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Are they the plated or non plated neos? Where I work they use some kind of 2 part resin stuff to simply stick the unplated neos inside the magnet rotors, and these are not small motors either. I'll try and find out what it actually is because I've wondered myself a few times!

As for magnets with holes, I've seen them around with countersunk holes in the centre, but I can't help thinking they would crack too easily if you weren't careful. Probably alright for positioning whilst the resin sets! Machining neos is definitely out of the question, although if you are desperate you can get custom magnets made...
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Sulaiman
Fri Nov 09 2007, 08:53PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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If the disk is not too small and there are many magnets
e.g. 10mm thick fiberglass or composite disks, drill/machine holes for 10mm long cylindrical magnets and glue.

You should calculate the radial forces/pressures/stresses on the disk
for your intended speed, diameter, magnet mass etc.
OR build one for testing to destruction.
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Ken M.
Fri Nov 09 2007, 09:46PM
Ken M. Registered Member #618 Joined: Sat Mar 31 2007, 04:15AM
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If you want Neo's I'd suggest going here:http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/. They have various sizes and quantities, just about everything is 8.99 for various sizes and set quantities. Also all the magnets they sell are N40 level, some of the larger magnets they sell have in upwards of 30 pound pull force.
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mikeselectricstuff
Sat Nov 10 2007, 01:00AM
mikeselectricstuff Registered Member #311 Joined: Sun Mar 12 2006, 08:28PM
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If you really need to machine them, I would imagine they would be amenable to water-jet cutting.
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Psyko
Sat Nov 10 2007, 11:23AM
Psyko Registered Member #81 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:57AM
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I have been involved in projects at work using water-jet cut neodymium. It's the only way to cut them. I have also been able to mill a ferrite magnet with a tabletop cnc. Try http://www.supermagnetman.net/ . This is an impressive source of magnets.
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Spedy
Sat Nov 10 2007, 05:16PM
Spedy Registered Member #964 Joined: Wed Aug 22 2007, 12:39AM
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Yah, Link2 is a great place. If you have some extra $$$ I recommend getting a bunch of 7mm sphere magnets, their great fun to play with. A bunch of tricks that you can do with the spheres can be found at Link2 :) Hope your project works out.

Edit: Huh.. I didn;t know url's turned into arrows...
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