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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jul 22 2007, 11:22AM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hi all, I was playing with my half bridge flyback driver, just out of curiosity I put a 50pF cap on the output of my ac flyback and I noticed the arc was about the same length as without the cap, but power draw was less than half. I thought I found a nice way to limit input power while the arc length was nearly the same. I experimented more, I made a cap that read nearly 90pF and connected it to the flyback output. As always I first turned it on with 100W bulb on the mains side for current limiting. However as soon as I started to draw an arc, the bridge shorted out. What I think has happened was resonance on the secondary side of the flyback, but how could this have affected things on the primary side so much that my driver blew in a fraction of second? What's the best way to current-limit a flyback while keeping the same output voltage?

Edit- I've replaced blown parts and removed the HV capacitor, I switch it on, draw an arc, BANG! The 5a fuse remained intact but it tripped the breaker tongue tongue so it seems I have a fault somewhere in the gate drive, it was working great previously, I love this subtle type of faults which to diagnose often costs a lot of silicon lives mad

EDIT2 - after about 2 hours of messing with my gate drive, I've found I had a blown gate resistor?! amazed dead What else will I have to see. I'm out of transistors right now (and I will be away for a week or so) so I'll then let you know if it works. shades
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Marko
Fri Jul 27 2007, 11:29AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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EDIT2 - after about 2 hours of messing with my gate drive, I've found I had a blown gate resistor?!

Simple problems always have simple causes. The 100pF cap is too small to do anything to the bridge, and IRFP450's already have 400pf output capacitance each.

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Wolfram
Fri Jul 27 2007, 08:16PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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As I understand it, he put the cap on the secondary side of the flyback, not the primary.
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Marko
Sat Jul 28 2007, 06:36PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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I don't believe it actually does anything apart from shifting F0 a bit. Did you try to tune the transformer alone? I generally avoid that simply because I prefer lower open-circuit voltage. Longer life for the transformer.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jul 29 2007, 04:39PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Marko wrote ...

I don't believe it actually does anything apart from shifting F0 a bit. Did you try to tune the transformer alone? I generally avoid that simply because I prefer lower open-circuit voltage. Longer life for the transformer.
Yes I "tuned" it OUT of resonance alone. When I try to tune to resonance, the power draw is enormous, but when messing with it like this I always include the ballast bulb so it limits the current. I don't know why it killed my fets with the cap, could be also due to the defective gate resistor but I don't know.
My "goal" is to draw long arcs with the least power possible, and the cap on the secondary seemed a good idea. However it doesn't seem as practical as it appeared to be.
As for stressing the transformer, I planned to run two of these flybacks out-of-phase, this way I could easily get 40kv out. I planned to then include the HV cap to decrease power draw and (hopefully) have long (but "thinner") arcs, but I think it is not worth the risk of exploding more silicon.
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