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Mates

Mon Jan 14 2008, 09:37PM

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Deathray Labs wrote ...

Your post was most helpful "Mates". Please allow me to share something in return. It is a free pdf you can download off the web that really gets to the basics of magnetic pulse compression.

Dear Deathray, Iâ€™m always trying to be helpful. I only warned you, that using names like Stan Meyer will give you a bad stamp on this forum. Efficient electrolysis is definitely a challenge which is worth to be explored; however, you have to accept the simple fact that the efficiency will NEVER exceed 100%. Thatâ€™s the basic law of this universe and breaking this law would be a pure miracle, moreover with horrible consequences (source of free energy would mean that every person on this planet could have its own personal never-ending oil-well which would probably turn the Earth into a small star).

BTW: The most efficient electrolysis Iâ€™ve ever achieved was by using 300V DC plasma discharge in a concentrated solution of Na2CO3. You get an explosive mixture of 02, H2 and steam without any practical use except some explosion effects (We were still like kids in those days so we filled plastics bags with it sending them like balloons over the burning candle).

Cheers,
Mates

ragnar

Mon Jan 14 2008, 11:30PM

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Deathray Labs wrote ...

I stand corrected, Hawking is alive, this site is dead.
C-ya

Way to troll in less than seven hours of membership. You don't have to aimlessly throw names like "Faraday" and "Hawking" around to get our attention.

Chris Russell

Tue Jan 15 2008, 12:27AM

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Don't feed the trolls, folks. He's gone. Let's get back to the topic at hand.

Deathray Labs

Tue Jan 15 2008, 10:14AM

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And then you delete my post proving you have nothing to offer but trolls and you delete your post proving you have nothing to offer but trolls and try to cover up that fact that you proved me right by deleting posts.

That would be that lack of integrity that is found in believers and disbelievers, AKA the crazies. However, we all know what I wrote is true. You had to delete two posts to make it look like it was not. How pathetic.

Steve Conner

Tue Jan 15 2008, 11:00AM

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Way to go Deathray Labs. Your free PDF was actually the very first link in this thread, that got the thread going in the first place.

If you think magnetic pulse compression has anything to do with electrolysis, you're probably way "above" our "level" of understanding. 4hv members have been exploding water with very high powered discharges for years, and it just makes a big bang and a big mess.

We also debunked Stan Meyers' water car a long time ago. The fuel was the aluminium wire. Aluminium burns just like magnesium, even under water, and when burnt under water it decomposes to aluminium hydroxide and hydrogen gas. The electric arc is just igniting the aluminium.

Since aluminium is made by electrolysis of molten bauxite, it was really just a stunningly inefficient electric car.

Bjørn

Tue Jan 15 2008, 03:38PM

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Three posts were deleted, including one from Matt that was likewise off-topic. Reading the rules was a requirement for you to join this forum so you really can't complain. We made the rules, you agreed to follow them. It was all explained in big letters when you joined.

If you have something to say about it you can do it on the forum called "Moderator / Admin Contact", there it will be on topic. You can state your opinion and ask questions but there will be no discussion about it, we are not going to change the rules just because a single person thinks he is above rules.

To make it clear the post that said "Don't feed the trolls, folks. He's gone. Let's get back to the topic at hand." marked the point where no further nonsense would be tolerated in the thread.

Deathray Labs

Tue Jan 15 2008, 04:23PM

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Steve,

Thank you for your almost civil reply, at least it is on topic and useful.

I was not aware of any Meyer debunking and have studied Stanley Meyer for quite some time. There is no doubt in my mind that Meyer was a pathological liar and an idiot. If he wanted to obstruct people from replication, he could not have done a better job. He claimed everything and then contradicted himself. If he was a con artist, he was a pretty damn good one.

That being said, whether he was debunked, I would not believe it one way or the other without looking at the evidence myself.

My thinking with pulse compression and electrolysis is not such a giant leap since others have reported to me good results using this technique already. I set up a small pulse compression network and also got my best results thus far this way.

It makes sense, in order to break the H20 bond we need energy, compressed energy would surely produce electron cascade effect in water and possibly help clear the anode electron buildup or allow the anode to farther penetrate the water conductively with the compressed energy. The cascade effect being the result of breaking the speed limit of current through water.

With pulse compression, we are shoving a 10 pound rabbit into a 5 pound hole. Could the above normal energy level of pulse compression be as useful in electrolysis at breaking electron bonds as it is in producing photons in a copper vapor laser? Seemed like a fair question.

I suppose what got me thinking about it is there are three exceptions to the law of force. (F=MA) One of those exceptions is: "If the mass is moving at or near quantum speeds." It is my understanding that pulse compression is an electromagnetic accelerator of sorts and there is a quantum effect associated with it.

There is a patent from 1981 US4265721 in which he claims to split water above the normal expectations using microwave in a resonant cavity. A resonant cavity is an electron accelerator. There is a guy on youtube showing a magnetron in a bucket of water, without electrodes, producing a lot of hydrogen. And so I am naturally curious.

A little analogy for the more "emotional thinkers" would be as follows.

I have a pond of water and I want to splash some water out using force. All I have to work with in terms of potential energy is a basket of pebbles to throw. If I throw my pebbles at the pond one at a time, I won't move much water and the pond can reorder the water after each tiny splash. But, if I throw my entire basket in at once, I make a splash since the energy of the basket was greater than the energy stored in the gravity of the water and thus its ability to physically reorder.

I find that water tends to resist charge direction and reorder at a pretty consistent 1mm per second. The atomic bond angle can be seen moving with a scope, indicator lamp or even your naked eye with the bubble pattern that forms around the concentric electrodes.

An analogy on how I think it will work, in terms of something you may have experienced is this:

I have a piece of saltwater taffey. It is cold and stiff and resists change and will only change shape if done slowly. Otherwise, it will crack in two.

The fact is that underwater plasma arc is probably the best method of electrolysis as someone previously noted. Well isn't the high voltage of the arc that quick pressure that breaks the taffey instead of bending it?

By eliminating the danger associated with an arc, the electrode wear, etc. A person could make a great improvement in an area that is being intensely studied by a lot of people right now.

But as the original poster pointed out pulse compression is an area that is not well known because it is not used much. Perhaps we forgot about it back when we had a surplus of hydro energy. Maybe we will find a use for it as we transition into a hydrogen fuel future.

Dr. Slack

Tue Jan 15 2008, 08:44PM

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Deathray,

Please invest in an undergraduate physics book and read the chapter on energy conservation, and a physical chemistry book and read up enthalpy. It doesn't matter how you try to sneak up on the OH bond, it doesn't behave like ponds or baskets of pebbles, rabbits or taffey. Energy out = energy in, when all types of energy including heat are taken into account. Period.

It would be a pity if a mod had to lock the thread, as the pulse compression bit looked quite interesting to me, closure would soley be as a result of your hijacking.

Chris Russell

Wed Jan 16 2008, 07:08AM

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Pulse compression is an acceptable topic. Free energy is not. Like it or not, those are the rules that everyone agreed to follow when signing up, and nobody is above the rules. Complaints, comments, and suggestions regarding the rules or actions taken by moderators belong in the suggestion box board or the moderator contact board. Grandstanding will only result in frustration for both sides as off-topic posts are removed in an attempt to try to get the thread back on track.

Any further discussion about free energy will result in a topic lock. Any further attacks on free energy will result in a topic lock. Please do not force the moderation team to take this to the next level.

Deathray Labs

Wed Jan 16 2008, 03:34PM

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NeilThomas wrote ...

Deathray,

Energy out = energy in, when all types of energy including heat are taken into account. Period.

It would be a pity if a mod had to lock the thread, as the pulse compression bit looked quite interesting to me, closure would soley be as a result of your hijacking.

Neil,

I have a fair understanding of conservation. I wonder, did the person who ever produced the science you referenced, take into account that gas atoms can become magnetic when generated with an arc? Was the magnetic energy potential measured?

I never suggested that there is anything as free energy, that would be magical thinking and there is no shortage of that around here guised as science. What I am open to is that we take mass and convert that to energy all day long from firewood to gasoline to unstable elements used in reactors.

Now some would rightly argue in a closed water to energy system, the energy you place into breaking the H2O molecule is the energy you will get out assuming no losses and that is impossible. The water effectively acts as a transport mechanism for the electrical energy. I am fully in agreement and understanding of this and have never suggested otherwise.

But that is not the case I argue since what I am trying to figure out is a bit beyond two plates connected to a battery. Perhaps a bit beyond you.

There is more than one way to achieve electrolysis and new molecules can be produced in that process. - For example using carbon electrodes and a plasma arc inducing the formation of carbon monoxide.

And in the production of the gases with this method or using different elements in the electrode in conjunction with an arc, do some of the atoms or molecules have an unusual magnetic property and was that potential energy measured and included in the energy extracted column? The gas is under pressure and so it has potential energy already. Can you show me where that was calculated? Can you show me where the two were combined to form electricity? Science evolves faster than 99% of the scientist. It is the 1% that make a difference.

I am not sure where some of you get the idea I am saying that free energy can be produced. I wonder if you can read or comprehend as well as you might think.

This thread has not had a post for 6 months and the only person that had anything to contribute before me claimed that pulse compression was a hoax. So to suggest "it would be a pity to lock this thread" is laughable.

I am the only person that noticed that the circuit example given in a previous post was not that of any pulse compression circuit I am aware of, it is the description of a magnetic amplifier.

If someone does not have anything to contribute other than false charges, wrong information, bumper stickers like "troll" and "hijacking", then you should not post to ANY forum. Maybe that should be a rule but unfortunately it would be a rule that some would find it difficult to hide behind.

Until then, every post (except the ones that succinctly made an earlier point but were deleted by the book burning crowed) I have made at this site are right here in this thread. If you can find where I talked about creating free energy, or was trolling or hijacked anything I would love to see the quote. It does not exist.

The only thing I have talked about is cutting edge science and defended myself from these attacks based on peoples paranoia, delusions or inability to read much less investigate what I am talking about and try to contribute.

Please do the world a favor and lock this thread. It will be perfect analog for your locked and useless brains. Anything short of that would be false advertising.

O.K. book burner, you try to hide from reality and truth by deleting this post too. People that lack integrity and the associated intelligence are so predictable.

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