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Danielle
Wed Jun 06 2007, 01:20AM Print
Danielle Registered Member #632 Joined: Mon Apr 09 2007, 01:09AM
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My dad has a large wine collection and he sometimes makes wine and he has... well a lot of bottles here's a pic of some of them could I full a tub with baking soda and fill all the bottles with that and connect them in parallel. Dose anyone have any experience with doing this would I have enough capacitance for a dual MOT SGTC?

Thanks.
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EDY19
Wed Jun 06 2007, 02:00AM
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Just buy yourself some capacitors, It'll save you a lot of trouble in the end- not to mention space. However, if you insist on using bottles, most people suggest using clear ones.
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Danielle
Wed Jun 06 2007, 02:15AM
Danielle Registered Member #632 Joined: Mon Apr 09 2007, 01:09AM
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do you think they would work though, is it possible to get the required capacitance out of them would I need a reasonable number or would it be in the hundreds? I really wouldn't want to spend the money I'm trying to get a scope.
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EDY19
Wed Jun 06 2007, 02:56AM
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for a resonant capacitor with a 500ma 2kv microwave oven transformer, you need about .66uf of capacitance. If each bottle is approximately 700pf, you'll need almost 1000 bottles. Besides the fact that this would occupy a whole room in itself, the performance would likely not be very great. If you really want a tesla coil, its worth putting some money into decent capacitors-you'll notice a difference performance wise, and it is really satisfying to have a nice looking coil that you can show off and be proud of!
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Coronafix
Wed Jun 06 2007, 03:15AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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I think EDY meant 100 bottles.
A lot of work for a lossy bank taking up
a lot of room. MMC all the way I say.
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Danielle
Wed Jun 06 2007, 03:40AM
Danielle Registered Member #632 Joined: Mon Apr 09 2007, 01:09AM
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OK I guess I would want to bulk order some of the Cornell doubler caps I should get alto also to use in my DRSSTC. Can I make a large bank with them for a smaller coil would it only be good for a fly back?
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Steve Conner
Wed Jun 06 2007, 09:32AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Nobody *ever* uses resonant capacitors with MOTs. The resulting low voltage and huge current in the tank circuit makes the spark gap design all but impossible.
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Wilson
Wed Jun 06 2007, 12:32PM
Wilson Registered Member #78 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:27AM
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try rolling some polyethylene caps. A friend of mine made a few and put them in series for use in a sparkgap TC, and they haven't failed yet :P Best of all, they're cheap ^^. Garbage bag and Al foil?
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Danielle
Wed Jun 06 2007, 03:37PM
Danielle Registered Member #632 Joined: Mon Apr 09 2007, 01:09AM
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Thanks for the advice for the caps. So should I open a new thread for how would i use the MOT I have 2 and I was setting them up with doublers do I still use the standard SGTC design or is the MOT design different?
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Part Scavenger
Wed Jun 06 2007, 10:27PM
Part Scavenger Registered Member #79 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:35AM
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Hey, check out my website. I used bottle caps and a 6MOT stack! I got 52" sparks. Link in signature. It even tells all about constrution of bottle caps. It wasn't extremely efficient, but I didn't care.
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