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Ryan Arlis
Mon Apr 09 2007, 02:27AM Print
Ryan Arlis Registered Member #577 Joined: Sun Mar 11 2007, 11:48PM
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i made this coil

1176085596 577 FT0 P4080042


and it has 2 wires to make it bigger but i am having a problem , my problem is that the power is jumping from some wires to other wires.


what can i do to stop the jumping of power and have it go through the wire?
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Ken M.
Mon Apr 09 2007, 02:30AM
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Use wires that have more insulation on them...
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Simon
Mon Apr 09 2007, 03:21AM
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If this is a HV transformer then that's your problem.

In future, please tell us more about your application when asking questions.
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Ryan Arlis
Mon Apr 09 2007, 03:44AM
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ok sorry im still kind of new at this, why is the high voltage my problem?
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Electroholic
Mon Apr 09 2007, 03:47AM
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i guessing thats his work coil for the induction heater.
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Ken M.
Mon Apr 09 2007, 04:31AM
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Either way, if he's putting 120/250v into I think its 24AWG wire thats that closely wound, the wires are gonna get a bit toasty and most likely the enamle will start to melt possibly fusing the wires together. IF its HV arcing I'd say some of the enamle got wore off and is allowing it to arc.
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Ryan Arlis
Mon Apr 09 2007, 04:59AM
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White arc is right it is HV about 9000 volts worth
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ragnar
Mon Apr 09 2007, 05:19AM
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For high-voltage coils, you should wind them neatly and precisely, turn by turn, on a proper former.

Instead of jumble-winding, try winding each turn down sequentially, so the lowest potential is at the bottom of the former, and the highest potential is at the top, much like a tesla coil.

If there is 9kV across the coil at a sufficiently high frequency for the coil impedance to appear great (hence the arcing), then I don't think multiple layers will be easy to insulate, either. It might be easier to stick to a single layer for now.

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Steve Conner
Mon Apr 09 2007, 01:54PM
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Yeah, the problem is that the voltage is high and that wire only has thin insulation, and the end of the coil could have ended up next to the beginning. You ought to try winding it all in one layer like a Tesla coil, as blackplasma suggested.

The work coil on my first induction heater was a mess like that, but I got away with it because mine was driven by a solid-state generator instead of HV pulse discharges, so it only saw about 300V, instead of 9000.
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Ryan Arlis
Wed Apr 11 2007, 01:09AM
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i made a new coil it has 24 turns and it works better than all the rest but not quite at the red hot in 15 sec speed but it gets pretty hot after 3-5 min. the turns are all vertical so i have a tall coil.
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