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LAN_403

Sat Feb 24 2007, 12:19AM

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Hereâ€™s a fast and rough version of the Earth Battery I previously mentioned. I tossed it together this afternoon. From the garage, I scavenged from a pile of garbage my wife has been threatening to throw away. From that pile I selected a short length of copper pipe and angle iron left over from a past project, a couple of soda cans from the trash, tin foil from todayâ€™s ham and cheese sandwich, and the remnants of a ground wire. All stuff destined for the trash dump. From these items, plus three containers, moist dirt and alligator clips, this simple 4 cell earth battery was constructed that outputs 2.287V @ 6.92 ma, enough to drive one, or two, three or four of these jumbo red Leds. From past experience, earth batteries will keep producing V/ma so long as the connections remain clean and the dirt retains some moisture. The containers aid in capturing rainfall as well as a method for increasing the voltage. Of course, after a period of time the donor metal must be replaced. Add a few more cellsâ€¦ and these earth batteries (or sea batteries) can power a small fuel cell to produce hydrogen. Purchase a few trashed cars for a few bucks from the junk yard, or selected parts of trashed cars, bury them using this method and you can produce hydrogen for monthsâ€¦ or possibly years. Some enterprising business person is eventually going to figure out he/she can purchase junk cars and discarded metals for pennies on the dollar and even calculating in the transportation expense, burying expense, and cost of rural land, turn it into a fortune by using this technique on a large industrial scale for producing the â€˜soon-to-beâ€™ new world currencyâ€¦ Hydrogen. More detailed info can be found here

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ShawnLG

Sat Feb 24 2007, 12:52AM

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"Purchase a few trashed cars for a few bucks from the junk yard, or selected parts of trashed cars, bury them using this method and you can produce hydrogen for monthsâ€¦ or possibly years. Some enterprising business person is eventually going to figure out he/she can purchase junk cars and discarded metals for pennies on the dollar and even calculating in the cost of rural land, turn it into a fortune by using this technique on a large industrial scale for producing the â€˜soon-to-beâ€™ new world currencyâ€¦ Hydrogen. CM"
There we go again! CM there is not enouff metal to fuel our future, besides metals today are refined using OIL, lots of it. The stuff that we are running out of. On the otherhand, people today are already recycleing old cars into fuel. They break down the plastics and foam from junked cars and turn them into an oil baced fuel. No CM, this will not solve our energy problem nether.

Sat Feb 24 2007, 12:58AM

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Shawn:

Never said it would solve our energy problem, what I said is that someone can make a fortune doing it. Please listen more carefully before criticizing and attributing to me a point that I never made. CM

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Sat Feb 24 2007, 01:07AM

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Umm, scrap steel is worth at least $200/ton. Aluminum is $2k/ton Even if you happen to live in CA and are paying $.25 per kw/hr, there is no way in hell you are going to pull a profit over selling the metal for scrap. You people (CM) need to start thinking!

Sat Feb 24 2007, 12:59PM

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Here is my prediction using the same crystal ball that helped me manufacture and market my patented wireless microphones in over 90 countries. I predict that someone will appear on the cover of FORTUNE magazine in coming years because he or she took steps to consolodate the purchasing of scrap metal, junked cars, etc from hundreds or possibly thousands of junk yards, and then use that metal in earth battery style to produce the soon-to-be new world currency... Hydrogen. Hydrogen that can light the LED in Steve's contest or Hydrogren that can power your future car and house. Today that might sound crazy, but in a number of years when oil, gas, etc is in short supply and too expensive to buy, it might not sound so crazy. I was told by EVERYONE, that a wireless microphone was crazy... but a few years passed, and it went global. To be crystal clear, I am NOT saying that this is the solution to our energy crisis, however, I am predicting someone's going to get rich from doing it at a time when oil and gas skyrocket in price and when our fledging attempt at a hydrogren economony is more developed. I could be wrong about my above prediction... but I don't think so. We could debate this until the cows come home from today's standpoint, but let's not, only time will tell. CM

WaveRider

Sat Feb 24 2007, 04:12PM

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Can we get this thread back on topic? I don't want to see any more bragging about patents or claims of making a fortune from burying junked cars. This forum is not about dredging for business opportunities. The next post in this thread should be about the LED lighting contest.

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Sat Feb 24 2007, 04:45PM

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Well, just as soon as it becomes profitable to take metal and turn it back into ore (when there are companies paying for the electricity to dig the ore out of the ground and turn it into steel, aluminum, etc) then I will believe you...
And I suppose the the only reason that you haven't started capitalizing on your idea (I suppose it is certainly more feasible than an atmospheric charge collector) is that, since you invented that microphone before '62 when Mr. Hung Lin got credited for it, you are probably getting old to see when that time comes?

edit: oops, looks like I got too far off topic. well, it idoes have an entry in it...

And, before I get too far off topic, my free led lighting contest entry is:

She it just a spool of 30awg wire with a led soldered across the ends, and a 1/2" by 1" (roughly) nd magnet in the middle. If you need light, shake gently

thedatastream

Sat Feb 24 2007, 08:46PM

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Myke wrote ...

I should try that (use a germanium transistor in a Joule theif).

I've tried it, it works fine - down to about 0.2V IIRC

Only problem was that the devices i used were in metal cans slightly larger than a to92 so i couldn't make it reallly small.

James

Hazmatt_(The Underdog)

Sat Feb 24 2007, 08:54PM

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CM, once the AIR cars are available in every country, no one is going to bat an eye at a Hydrogen one.

Did anyone stop to think about a Hydrogen gas station with a leak? That's a huge explosion, much bigger then a gas fire.

Steve Conner

Sat Feb 24 2007, 09:54PM

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..., if you strapped that to your bike and put the magnet on a spring so it bounced up and down as you went over bumps in the road, you could be a contender!

I'm changing the thread title to "Ambient Energy..." to retain my right to cast the first stone.

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