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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Dec 08 2006, 06:46PM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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A picture is worth 1k words:
1165602635 152 FT0 Cannon

Pour a bit of ethanol into the film case (is this the right word?), and pour it back so just a little of it got stuck on the walls. Put the film case on the lid that is glued to the base. There is a small spark gap in the lid, and when you press the FIRE button, a spark jumps in this spark gap and ignites ethanol vapors that have developed inside the film case and BANG it flies high in the air. smile
I don't know why is that when I repeat it quickly, it doesn't do anything, I need to clean the inside of the case from the remainings of the ethnol, then it works again.

J.M.
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uzzors2k
Fri Dec 08 2006, 07:28PM
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Lol, I made one of those a long time ago too. I just used a piezo ignitor to fire it, worked great. Blow fresh air into the film can after each fire, it should work every time then. Certain types of hair spray will work for fuel as well.
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Alex
Fri Dec 08 2006, 08:06PM
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Neat little project. How high does it send the film canister?

jmartis wrote ...
I don't know why is that when I repeat it quickly, it doesn't do anything, I need to clean the inside of the case from the remainings of the ethnol, then it works again.

Is that actually because of residue on the inside, or is there just co2 in there?
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Bjørn
Fri Dec 08 2006, 08:40PM
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With buthane it can reach 10 meters or so. Hydrogen and oxygen can give quite nice results and can burst the container.

Some fuels are quite sensitive to the mixture ratio so it is possible that it will not ignite the second time because there are fuel remains on a large area that evaporates quickly and makes the mixture too rich.

If you have some water in the container you will get higher speeds and everything will get wet.
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ReddyK
Fri Dec 08 2006, 11:12PM
ReddyK Registered Member #92 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 03:11PM
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Yep,
Mixture ratio is your problem with rapid reloads.
The problem gets worse with a piezo igniter and they will not light propane at all.
Steve
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Fri Dec 08 2006, 11:40PM
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I made one of those using O2/H2 and a piezo ignitor.

I was firing at a 45degree angle and got about 20'

Memories...
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Tesladownunder
Sat Dec 09 2006, 12:49AM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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Just for interest here is a video of a film cannister and liquid nitrogen held by my son.

If the link doesn't work it is here.

Peter
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Dec 09 2006, 01:21PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Alex wrote ...

Neat little project. How high does it send the film canister?
I think about 10 meters, but it makes a nice loud BANG cheesey

Today it was firing unreliably (about 2 succesful shots of 10 tries) so I added a small HV cap on the output of the (rectified) flyback, now it makes nice juicy spark and fires more reliably. (however I thing such fat spark shouldn't be requied when people succesfully use piezo lighter?)
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Wolfram
Sat Dec 09 2006, 02:05PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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I've made many of those. Most of them were based on piezo igniters from lighters, but one of them used a disposable camera inverter and a 5 stage C/W-cascade to make a 6mm long spark for ignition. Memories...
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Dec 30 2006, 05:32PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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It is cold outside and methanol does not work as fuel anymore, do you think car petrol will work, or is it too dangerous?
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