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Lens to make sun light on a same spot

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AndreiRS
Thu Mar 22 2018, 03:29PM Print
AndreiRS Registered Member #62109 Joined: Sun Jan 28 2018, 10:00PM
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Hi. I have been observing some curious stuff in some trees here. The branches which take sun all day, "pop" a lot of new branches. So I was thinking about some shape of lens that would make the sun light hit always a same spot on the tree during almost all day. But then I remembered that concentrating light this way, I will just make the tree light up like a torch. I think I need a lens that gets light from various directions and make it come strait from the other side. But without focusing it too much. Just a little more intense than normal sun light.
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the_anomaly
Thu Mar 22 2018, 04:35PM
the_anomaly Registered Member #19 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 03:19PM
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Sounds like you would want to collimate light? Two possibilities would be a Fresnel lens or a parabolic reflector..



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AndreiRS
Thu Mar 22 2018, 05:06PM
AndreiRS Registered Member #62109 Joined: Sun Jan 28 2018, 10:00PM
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That is what I need. Well the sun is too far, so I can't use the second option. But I have seen people using fresnel lenses to burn things or to cook food. Maybe if I turn the lens around? I'm not sure if if would work the same way on both sides since I don't have one here to test. Thanks for the help.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Fri Mar 23 2018, 01:48AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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Andre... all you need is some clear plastic like 20 mil thick and a hoop and some kind of stand.

All you do is attach the plastic sheet to the hoop loosely and put it up on a stand. Then you fill the plastic with water and adjust for how much magnification you want, then use a large flat mirror to direct the light.

When you get bored with that, you can use the "lens" to burn stuff, just remember to wear shades or you'll go blind.
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AndreiRS
Fri Mar 23 2018, 04:48AM
AndreiRS Registered Member #62109 Joined: Sun Jan 28 2018, 10:00PM
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Hmmmm, I saw that in these survivor programs on TV. I will try to build one. Oh I did some burning already when I was a kid, but never wore the shades. rolleyes

I will make a little one and then I come back here if it works. 5cm or 2 inches in diameter. Thank you.
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Conundrum
Fri Mar 23 2018, 10:02AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Interesting hypothesis.
Some combination of mirrors and Fresnel lenses might work.
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Sulaiman
Fri Mar 23 2018, 11:26AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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AndreiRS
Sat Mar 24 2018, 12:18AM
AndreiRS Registered Member #62109 Joined: Sun Jan 28 2018, 10:00PM
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Hi Conundrum, I just realised I can't find any of these around here to buy. I will try first with some cheap magnifying glass and also the water lens. If it works I may buy something on the internet.

Thanks Sulaiman, maybe I can put together something like that. I only need to measure some angles, or just get a mirror, go there and try.

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Sulaiman
Sat Mar 24 2018, 11:10AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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I guess that building a heliostat is a major project in itself.

You could try a static mirror arranged to sweep the bright spot across the foliage as the day progresses.
A large mirror should provide the equivalent of maybe 1 hour extra sunlight per day.
If this is significant then a band of different growth should be seen where the spot travelled each day.

Or just hang a sheet of Al cooking foil behind a test leaf/twig/branch for double sunlight ?
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Conundrum
Sat Mar 24 2018, 03:57PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Maybe a CR servomotor or one beefed up using a larger motor, gearbox (hint: swipe one from an old school stereo with the motorized tuners) and the original trimpot. For this application high speed is not required.
Also relevant, use a simple magnet and 4 pin linear Hall sensor from a defunct VCR or floppy drive motor assembly
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