If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.
Special Thanks To:
Aaron Holmes
Aaron Wheeler
Adam Horden
Alan Scrimgeour
Andre
Andrew Haynes
Anonymous000
asabase
Austin Weil
barney
Barry
Bert Hickman
Bill Kukowski
Blitzorn
Brandon Paradelas
Bruce Bowling
BubeeMike
Byong Park
Cesiumsponge
Chris F.
Chris Hooper
Corey Worthington
Derek Woodroffe
Dalus
Dan Strother
Daniel Davis
Daniel Uhrenholt
datasheetarchive
Dave Billington
Dave Marshall
David F.
Dennis Rogers
drelectrix
Dr. John Gudenas
Dr. Spark
E.TexasTesla
eastvoltresearch
Eirik Taylor
Erik Dyakov
Erlend^SE
Finn Hammer
Firebug24k
GalliumMan
Gary Peterson
George Slade
GhostNull
Gordon Mcknight
Graham Armitage
Grant
GreySoul
Henry H
IamSmooth
In memory of Leo Powning
Jacob Cash
James Howells
James Pawson
Jeff Greenfield
Jeff Thomas
Jesse Frost
Jim Mitchell
jlr134
Joe Mastroianni
John Forcina
John Oberg
John Willcutt
Jon Newcomb
klugesmith
Leslie Wright
Lutz Hoffman
Mads Barnkob
Martin King
Mats Karlsson
Matt Gibson
Matthew Guidry
mbd
Michael D'Angelo
Mikkel
mileswaldron
mister_rf
Neil Foster
Nick de Smith
Nick Soroka
nicklenorp
Nik
Norman Stanley
Patrick Coleman
Paul Brodie
Paul Jordan
Paul Montgomery
Ped
Peter Krogen
Peter Terren
PhilGood
Richard Feldman
Robert Bush
Royce Bailey
Scott Fusare
Scott Newman
smiffy
Stella
Steven Busic
Steve Conner
Steve Jones
Steve Ward
Sulaiman
Thomas Coyle
Thomas A. Wallace
Thomas W
Timo
Torch
Ulf Jonsson
vasil
Vaxian
vladi mazzilli
wastehl
Weston
William Kim
William N.
William Stehl
Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Registered Member #3637
Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 1068
Hi guys!!
So another dumb project of mine.
One of the biggest problems with making your own PCB's at home is that it typically requires either large equipment (i.e. a laser printer with toner) or a UV lightsource for photoresist etching. There's also naturally the third one which is literally just marking on a PCB with a permanent marker but since it doesn't produce professional results I'm not really including it.
My idea was to try and fill (or refill) an inkjet cartridge with a waterproof ink, such as this stuff . I know that's the primarily reason why normal inkjet ink's don't work, because they actually get washed away by the etchant.
My biggest worry about using this ink would be that the printer head would become clogged and inoperable. However apparently Epson manufacturers heads that use a piezo element, which, since it doesn't involve high temperatures would probably perform better.
However this kind of defeats the purpose since then this would require a specific type of printer to use.
Registered Member #96
Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
Posts: 4062
Might work, perhaps do a two step process of printing a UV reactive ink (cough turmeric /cough) and then use a UV laser to react and develop as normal PCB?
Also yellow Epson ink if baked on at moderate heat in an oven is known to have quite good etchant resistance.
Durabrite ink from epson is known to work with heat treatment after printing (I think the red color was the preferred one). The modification of the printer itself seems to be quite straight forward.
Registered Member #4932
Joined: Thu May 17 2012, 01:42PM
Location:
Posts: 59
Why don't you just use transparent film for inkjet printers and a tanning lamp with PCBs with a photoresist coating? If it still shines through the dark parts a little bit, you can just use multiple layers. I most of the time use 3 layers. The height of the tanning lamp differs per tanning lamp and size of the print, so you'll have to experiment a little with that.
Registered Member #103
Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
Location: Derby, UK
Posts: 845
You can use a standard inkjet printer if you use inkjet-compatible transparent film. I have tried out several methods of making PCBs in the past, and this has become my 'go to' method whenever I need a board quickly. I have to layer up 2 printouts, and in the printer setup select 'plain paper' with the maximum contrast/ink usage possible.
I've tried laser in the past, but don't get good results with modern laser printers as the toner density is never enough.
Registered Member #3637
Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 1068
Hrm.
I would also like to try and avoid using photoresist etchings, as it introduces another cost/item you require to make boards.
Thank you guys for the suggestions though, I'm just trying to make this as simple/easy as possible so if this works, anyone can copy me and do what I did without needing anything overly exotic.
Registered Member #103
Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
Location: Derby, UK
Posts: 845
Whoops, I didn't read the thread properly!
My boss once brought an old Roland XY plotter into work for making PCBs, by replacing the pen with a fine permanent marker. That's about the closest thing I can think of that works :) I would think modifying an inkjet would be more effort than it's worth, and certainly a lot harder than using the photo method :(
Registered Member #2939
Joined: Fri Jun 25 2010, 04:25AM
Location:
Posts: 615
I don't see any real issue with needing an Epson printer - there only seem to be four major brands doing small injets (Epson, HP, Canon and Brother) - so Epson represent 25% of the market.
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.