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uzzors2k
Mon Feb 20 2006, 05:41PM Print
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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I going for a pernament flyback driver setup, but I need some way of powering it off mains. Something like this Link2 But the only mains transformer I have is a 12volt one from a wall wart.
I have plenty of SMPS parts, so I can reticfy mains, but making a usable voltage is a bit harder. Any suggestions? I thought of using a voltage divider, but the current would be very low and I would need heavy wattage resistors.

Am I missing something, or is there no easy way around a larger mains transformer?
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Marko
Mon Feb 20 2006, 05:55PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Variac only...

Or if you can find some isolation transformers, what is your mains voltage and what voltage you need?
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HV Enthusiast
Mon Feb 20 2006, 05:57PM
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There are also solid state variac designs out there. Terry Fritz has one at Link2 i believe and i think Steve Connor has done some work as well, although i'm not too familiar with the specifics.
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uzzors2k
Mon Feb 20 2006, 06:12PM
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Ok, I'll look into it. I'm on 230 volts here, and I'm looking to get about 50v at 2 amps.

Is there any chance I could wind my own? As in iron bolt core?
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Feb 20 2006, 06:19PM
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I've recently designed a mains running flyback driver around the International Rectifier IR2153 halfbridge driver. It works very well, producing just little heat. Please note that this circuit will not work well using fets with >3nf gate capacitance.
Adjust P1 until you hit the resonance. Primary should have around 60-100 turns.


1140459511 152 FT1719 Halfbridgemains 2
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Marko
Mon Feb 20 2006, 06:32PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Transformers (linear) from old TVs give 80 volts on ne secondary and it is perfect for flyback driving, if TV is large enough you can get even more than 2 amps.
Also lots of other low voltages for oscillator's and other needs.

If you find some C-core transformers you can remove the cores, unwind secondary and wind your own.

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Steve Conner
Mon Feb 20 2006, 06:42PM
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I think the easiest/safest way is just to get a bigger mains transformer. I have seen people rewind the transformers from microwaves, but other appliances like hi-fis, TVs, those big old VCRs, and slide and movie projectors often have decent sized transformers too.

Iron bolts are no good- you need laminated iron or your power just gets wasted in heating the core.
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uzzors2k
Mon Feb 20 2006, 07:33PM
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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I like your circuit jmartis, think I'll use it instead.

Ok, I'll have to do some dumpster diving wink How can I avoid finding units with SMPSs though?
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Marko
Mon Feb 20 2006, 07:59PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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You mean TVs?
Just look for oldest and phisically largest you can find, small TVs even ancient still have SMPS...
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Feb 20 2006, 08:08PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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uzzors wrote ...

I like your circuit jmartis, think I'll use it instead.

I'm glad you like it, just be sure to make enough clearance between the pins of the IR2153, because it will have >300V across it...
Also, don't use more than 14V for powering the IC or it will probably blow (use stabilised 12V).
You must precisely adjust P1 to resonance (within about 5%), otherwise you won't get too high voltages. Also remember to not ground any part of the circuit.
You can use any fets >400V >10A (eg. IRF740) with gate capacitance <3nf.
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