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Patrick
Thu Apr 02 2015, 06:36AM Print
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Has there been any attempt to use gold or silver leaf to control field geometry? I couldnt find any using google or our internal search. I had a real hard time with the roofing copper seen in my HV probe.

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When i tried graphite powder, it seemed non-uniform, and messy, as in things becoming conductive that werent supposed to be.
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Steve Maurer
Fri Apr 03 2015, 01:24AM
Steve Maurer Registered Member #133 Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 10:27PM
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I haven't used metal leaf for field geometry modification, but have found that India Ink works well to coat some items used in electrostatic experiments.

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Patrick
Fri Apr 03 2015, 05:38AM
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im going to try it, since it seems cheap. with a 3D printer, and leafing we could make previously impossible shapes work, or parts just to difficult to be practical. I had cap plates and EMI shielding that were hard in my HV probes.
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Ash Small
Fri Apr 03 2015, 12:32PM
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I don't want to go too far OT, but is it possible to 'print' low value HV capacitors?
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Antonio
Fri Apr 03 2015, 06:56PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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Ash Small wrote ...

I don't want to go too far OT, but is it possible to 'print' low value HV capacitors?
In principle yes, as conductive plastics are also available (ok for low current). It's then possible to print complex electrostatic circuits, including mobile parts (as electrostatic generators and motors). But by what I have seen, the insulation obtainable with 3D-printed plastics is not specially high.
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mikeselectricstuff
Sat Apr 04 2015, 08:30PM
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I wonder if this might be interesting for electrostatic purposes - copper patterned PET film :
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Patrick
Sat Apr 04 2015, 10:01PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Antonio wrote ...

But by what I have seen, the insulation obtainable with 3D-printed plastics is not specially high.
the ABS seems to be susceptible to print conditions, im trying to see with a flyback what the punch through and creep voltages are.
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DekuTree64
Sun Apr 05 2015, 01:00AM
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mikeselectricstuff wrote ...

I wonder if this might be interesting for electrostatic purposes - copper patterned PET film :
Link2
Seems like it could be useful. I've been wanting to try making lightweight discs for electrostatic generators, using a styrofoam core and plastic sheets glued on the surface. Could use this as one of the plastic sheets, with metal sectors printed on it.

Patrick, another thing you might try is conductive paint. I've considered it for making large spark gap balls (since styrofoam balls are much cheaper than metal, and paint would be smoother than crinkly aluminum foil wrapped on it), but figured the heat of the sparks would poke microscopic holes in the paint and spoil the smoothness. Gold leaf might develop holes as well, being so thin. But if you're not planning to pull sparks off of it, I think either would work just fine for field shaping.
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