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greets & what is this part?

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fred
Thu Feb 12 2015, 08:45AM Print
fred Registered Member #54441 Joined: Mon Feb 09 2015, 11:33AM
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greets, this is my first message on this board, i'm an older electronics repair tech and have worked with all types of electronics, computer and high voltage equipment. love electronics, arduino and projects.

I have something here that i can't figure out exactly what it is. it came from a HV power transformer that was immersed in mineral oil inside a large metal can about 3ft/h x 3ft/w. the transformer had 2 hv coils (22g/wire) on a large core and connected to this device that was also in the oil.

did diode tests, got nothing.
did resistor checks. got nothing
did voltage checks. it seemed to charge very little but did mv-scale... hv capacitor???

I started thinking at this point that maybe it was a spark gap of some sort. so i took one of the metal caps off the ceramic insulator and looked inside. what i saw looked to me like a rectangular capacitor that was soldered inside at each corner to the round ceramic insulator... sounds strange and is.

any one have ideas as to what it is?



1423730618 54441 FT0 Highvolt1

1423730618 54441 FT0 Highvolt2
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Sulaiman
Thu Feb 12 2015, 01:23PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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could be H.V. diodes,
which are a series of lower voltage diodes in series,
often there are so many junctions in series that 30V to 50V required to conduct.
A 'Megger'/insulation tester would test for this.
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Shrad
Thu Feb 12 2015, 01:59PM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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or a 100V supply with a resistor and an amperemeter
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fred
Thu Feb 12 2015, 03:56PM
fred Registered Member #54441 Joined: Mon Feb 09 2015, 11:33AM
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ah, i understand. so i'll run some more tests, with a variable applied voltage and current checks and see what happens. will post results.
Thank you!
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Shrad
Thu Feb 12 2015, 06:09PM
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be sure to limit current as some high voltage diodes will die if you run them over their rated current even at a lower voltage
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Wolfram
Thu Feb 12 2015, 11:16PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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These look like typical diodes from an X-ray transformer. Your description of the transformer also supports that. In that case, they might be able to handle 100 kV or more, at a few hundred milliamps. Notice that they will have a significant forward voltage drop, tens of volts, so a normal diode test will not work on these.
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Antonio
Fri Feb 13 2015, 01:00AM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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They are really high-voltage diodes:
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fred
Fri Feb 13 2015, 01:02AM
fred Registered Member #54441 Joined: Mon Feb 09 2015, 11:33AM
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jezz, i'm gettin old and forgetfull... cry ... thats scary...

this goes back a few 15 years ago or so, but the company i got this from was in x-ray diffractometry, industrial.... (steel parts checking)...

thanks for the reminder. any idea or estimate what they would cost or where i could find out ???
Thanks again.

Thanks Guys!
Antonio: been looking everywhere for these, this is the first time i ever saw them elsewhere.
so it's confirmed they are diodes... now to think how to test them the right way....
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Antonio
Fri Feb 13 2015, 12:30PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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Testing the blocking voltage and the leakage with an electrostatic machine and an electroscope:
Link2
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GrantX
Sun Feb 15 2015, 03:46AM
GrantX Registered Member #4074 Joined: Mon Aug 29 2011, 06:58AM
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Antonio wrote ...

Testing the blocking voltage and the leakage with an electrostatic machine and an electroscope:
Link2

Your videos are always extremely interesting and provide fantastic visual demonstrations. I feel like I've learned a lot about electrostatics just by going back through your Youtube collection. Just wanted to say thanks. In regards to testing the diode stack, I don't really have anything to add that hasn't already been said. A supply capable of a few hundred volts with a resistor to limit the short circuit current down to a few milliamp should do the trick.
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